Personified Kali and the Emperor

Overcoming the influence of Kali

0:03Hindi 760814R2-Bombay [41:37 Minutes] Audio

0:07Prabhupāda: [Transl. ...one black man is trying to kill cow? "Who are you? How dare you kill cow in my kingdom? I will immediately kill you." So he came to his senses.

0:21He fell down at the feet and prayed, "Mahārāja, I am personified Kali and this is my job. So why are you interfering with my work?

0:28I am destined to do that." So he said, "You can do this outside my kingdom." The personified Kali replied, "Kindly tell me where your kingdom ends? You are the emperor of the whole world."

3:20Transl. Then he told him that you can live in these four places—illicit sex, prostitution, meat eating, gambling and intoxication. You can live where these four things are rampant. So he found these four things all over the world. Therefore he made a plot and killed Parīkṣit Mahārāja. He thought, "So long Parīkṣit Mahārāja is alive these four things cannot go on. There will be no place for Kali-yuga." The moment he departed from this world these four things began to flourish. This is Kali-yuga.

3:21Indian lady: [Transl. Now someone is introducing Casino in Juhu.]

3:22Prabhupāda: [Transl. What is that?]

3:23Indian lady: [Transl. Casino. Casino is a machine to play gambling.]

3:25Prabhupāda: [Transl. Really?]

3:26Indian man: [Transl. It is in Juhu or elsewhere?]

3:27Indian lady: [Transl. I heard it is in Santacruz. Santacruz. The place for gambling.]

3:29Indian man: [Transl. Really? Lottery is also gambling.]

3:31Prabhupāda: [Transl. Ofcourse. Lottery in the Church. Gambling in the Church. It is in all the Churches everywhere. This is the influence of Kali-yuga.]

3:34Indian man: [Transl. Actually, we forgot the śātras. We don't act according to the śāstra.]

Spreading Vedic culture through kirtana

3:36Prabhupāda: [Transl. At least follow only one thing, harer nāma harer nāmaharer nāmaiva kevalamkalau nāsty eva nāsty evanāsty eva gatir anyathāBṛhan-nāradīya Purāṇa 38.126(1)

3:38Transl. This is a simple prescription of the śāstra. Because, in Kali-yuga, reformation is no longer possible. Everything will be spoiled. But there is one remedy which is very simple. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam. If you can simply chant the holy name of Hari… You arrange to perform Hari kīrtana together all over India and you will see how successful you will become. Immediately there will be change of heart. India is not dead as yet. India is not dead yet, it still has life in it. Just give an injection and it will stand up.

3:39Indian man: [Transl. Yes, it is still alive.]

3:40Prabhupāda: [Transl. You have seen how we do here in Bombay, in Calcutta. We simply perform Hari-kīrtana and speak from Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. Thirty thousand, forty thousand people are coming.

3:57Calcutta… In Bombay, at cross maidan you have seen our program? So people are not dead.]

4:06Indian man: [Transl. You are right. Still alive.]

4:19Prabhupāda: [Transl. Life is there. So if it is again revived then India will be glorious. This is the goal of our preaching.

4:35Caitanya Mahāprabhu…Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission is, He says that anyone who has taken birth in Bharata-varṣa should make his life perfect and do paropakāra: welfare for others.

4:40Bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra, you understand Bengali?]

4:44Indian lady: [Transl. Yes, I do.]

4:52Prabhupāda: [Transl. Bhārata bhūmite, you also understand?]

5:01Indian man: [Transl. Not him.]

5:09Prabhupāda: [Transl. Bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra. It is not difficult to understand.

5:22One who has taken birth in India as human beings, not as dogs and sheeps, human beings, bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra.]

5:26Indian lady: [Transl. Do good to others.]

5:35Prabhupāda: [Transl. First of all make your own life perfect, because only in India can you make your life perfect. Not anywhere else. The instructions and processes of making life perfect are in India. Veda, Vedānta, Purāṇas.

5:56śruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-pañcarātra-vidhiṁ vināBrahma-yāmala

6:00Transl. So not spoiling you life rather by perfecting your life and by understanding well the purpose of human life you should spread this mission for the benefit of others. Paropakāra. They will also come to know. They don't know all this. At least make an attempt and see the result. You don't have to do anything else. No secrecy. Open secret. Let the Indian culture be spread as it is. It will work. It is working. You can see.

6:04Indian man: [Transl. Nowadays people are becoming more inclined towards spirituality. Espeacially the higher class and the lower class.]

6:17Prabhupāda: [Transl. No. If things are presented as it is and accepted as it is then it will work. You are all businessmen, you know, if things are managed properly the business will increase.

Global transformation and spiritual education

7:29These boys and girls have assisted me so much. Hence this movement spread somewhat. They got a new life. They became hopeless. Turned hippies.]

7:36Indian man: [Transl. Were confused.]

7:40Prabhupāda: [Transl. Nothing. Young boys! Simply drinking wine and do all nonsense day and night. Had no conscious. What is the use? So being fed up of all that, they have given up everything.

7:50Even the prists of the foreign countries are astonished. They say, "they are our boys, our children, some are Christian, some are Jews, they never even inquired what is God? What is Church? They never even visited Church.

7:56And now they are mad after God?" They are surprised. You give them crores of rupees and take them out of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. They will never go. Didn't they have enough money?]

8:03Indian lady: [Transl. One young boy came to our house the day before yesterday. I asked him, wear this pant and shirt. This dhoti doesn't look good. Wear this. It is good. He said, no. no. I am very much comfortable in this.

8:15I don't want to put on anything else.]

8:31Prabhupāda: [Transl. You build a gurukula here to train boys to have good character. That is the real thing. Simply by speaking Sanskrit nothing special could be accomplished. But yes, that is also good.

23:22But the actual thing is character. Brahmacārī guru-kule vasan dānto guror hitam. [SB 7.12.1] SB 7.12.1

Vedic astronomy and material existence

41:36Transl. That is wanted. Dānta. How one can learn sense control. That is stressed. You will never find any instruction of Narada Muni when he is suggesting about opening gurukula. He never suggested that one must be a great grammarian, very good speaker. No. Character. Brahmacārī guru-gṛhe vasan, by living in the gurukula, what should he learn? Dānta. Self control. That is the first business. See, in the airport nowadays there is arrangement for security check. Security check. Just to make sure that nobody is carrying any weapons or anything. Everyone is checked. [Transl. Sometimes, as a guest, they let me go without checking. But they check everybody. Doesn't that mean there is no honest person? This is the conclusion. Otherwise why checking? Despite the huge advancement of civilisation the criterian is that nobody is honest. That's all. That's why they are checking. Otherwise what is need for checking? The country also has no respect that this person is a sannyāsī, this persons is a brāhmaṇa, why to check them? No. They are also right. In the dress of a sannyāsī who knows what they do? This checking means it is to be concluded that everyone is dishonest. This is the result of advancement of knowledge.] Indian man: [Transl. How to know? Just because one mahātmā has done something wrong other mahātmās are being harassed.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No. The net result is that it is to be concluded that everyone is dishonest. This is the advancement of education.] Indian lady: [Transl. In the foreign countries you can go through the green line. They have this system. They allow you to go through the green line. Nobody checks.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No, they check everyone. Their policy is that if you carry any object made of iron then they doubt.] Indian lady: [Transl. Like that they ask everybody if they have gold or anything.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Oh, that is custom. I am talking about security check.] Indian man: [Transl. They have metal detector machine and they check everything thoroughly. If there is anything suspicious it automatically starts to ring. They move that machine all over your body. I asked, "Sir, what are you checking? You are checking like a magnifying glass." "We get to know what you have," he replied.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. That kind of advancement they made a lot. But actually dishonest.] Indian man: [Transl. Now they have gone to the Mars.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Whether they go to Mars or hell…] Indian man: [Transl. Thousands of miles away they control from here.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. I don't believe it.] Indian man: [Transl. Han? Hare Rāma!] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Just consider. This moon, at night it's rays are so soothing and it's reflection is so brilliant, we are seeing the moon with our own eyes, so how I can believe that it is full of rocks and sand? Where from the rocks and sand such nice rays emanate and such soothing effect is there? Tell me mātājī, am I right? I am seeing the moon directly and it is so soothing. You work hard whole day and at night you sit in the moon shine for a while, you will be refreshed. That's why God has created it. So much rays that it illuminates the whole world. And it is cooling. Not like the sun. Two things are created by the Supreme Personality of Godhead-heating during the day time and cooling at night time. As you like. This is coming from the moon. I see practically. So how can I believe that it is full of rocks and sand? [Transl. This is one question from this common man. And another thing is that Ravi, Soma, Maṅgal: the sun, the moon, the mars, the weekly days: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, the sun comes first. And moon comes later. Then comes Maṅgal. But they say that moon is first. If moon is first then why the whole world does't start counting days from Monday? Why start from Sunday? According to our śāstra the moon is 1,600,000 miles above the sun planet. That means the moon planet is higher than the sun planet. Far. So the calculation of the sun planet is something like 93 millions of miles from the earth. So add another 1,600,000 and it is about 95 million miles. So if you have to cover 95 million miles at the speed of 18,000 thousand miles per hour it will take at least 7 months. How did they go to the moon in 4 days? I asked this to the big, big scientists, they couldn't answer me.] Indian lady: [Transl. Another point is that the sun is so hot and they couldn't go there so how did they reach the moon which is further away from the sun?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. That is also a point.] Indian lady: [Transl. so you are saying that moon is above the sun, so unless they surpass the sun how can they go to the moon?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. They can't go to the sun even.] Indian lady: [Transl. Can't go to the sun at all. Then how they can go to the moon?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. How they can go to the moon? See, she is intelligent. This is common sense. Another thing is wherever they go they find rocks only. They are so unfortunate that they bump their heads to the rocks only. [laughs] Nothing else they find. No flowers or nice things, only rocks. This is another point. My experience in this world is there are rocks and there are flowers. But there, is only rock and nothing else. What happened to the flowers?] Indian man: [Transl. "There is no life," they say.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Why not? This is the point. According to my experience in this planet there are rocks, sand, flowers, garden, river, everything is there. Where did these things go? The Supreme Lord created here all nice things and only rocks and sand there? Either God or anyone else, He used his brain brilliantly to create such a huge planet just to fill it up with rocks? Answer Mātājī? You are intelligent.] Indian lady: [Transl. They go there and come back. They say they have landed in the moon and did all this. Is it all false then?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Let them say so. I also used my sense. I analysed with my own sense.] Girirāja: Śrīla Prabhupāda, prasāda is there. Prabhupāda: [Transl. Let us go. Take little.] [Guests talk among themselves throughout.] Indian man: [Transl. I will take later.] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We have separate plate for you. Girirāja: We have a whole plate for you Mr. Shenoy. Prabhupāda: [Transl. Please sit and have little.] Girirāja: Little. Prabhupāda: [Transl. Sit down. Let us go.] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We have a thali for you. Prabhupāda: [Transl. Hare Kṛṣṇa. We are fortunate that you people have come here.] Indian lady: [Transl. Yesterday the program was very nice.] Indian man: [Transl. I was benefitted.] Indian lady: [Transl. You came, and so many questuins were asked and we could hear you. Otherwise we were sitting quietly. It was very nice.] Indian man: [Transl. I already asked what I wanted to. Santibhai can ask more. He can ask good questions. All his mercy.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. …Vṛndāvana. This is Māyāpur. You take also.] Indian lady: [Transl. No. I can't eat this. Little I will take.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No. No. You sit down.] Indian lady: [Transl. I can't eat so much.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Rest we will eat. Did you wash your hands?] Indian lady: [Transl. Yes, I washed.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Then sit down. Just take what you want. Rest, these boys will eat. What's the big deal? Please sit down. At least sit down with us. You also sit down.] Indian man: [Transl. Did you take your meal?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yes. I eat simple food. No spices at all. [Prabhupāda watches as guests take prasāda.] You have taken prasādam? Not yet.] Devotee: Yes. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: [Transl. They took prasādam in the morning with the devotees.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Take one puri.] Indian man: [Transl. I can't take. I don't eat puri at home also.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. I too don't eat puri. I eat dry chapati. In this planetarium, we will display how the whole planetary system is hanging. Ūrdhva-mūlam adhaḥ-śākham. [Bg 15.1] What they show the planetarium, in that the sun is fixed up and all the planets are rotating around it.] Indian lady: [Transl. You will build here, Mahārājajī?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. The sun is also moving. This is north, this is south.] Indian man: [Transl. Somehow I have never made any program of going to that side.] Indian lady: [Transl. Māyāpur.] Indian man: [Transl. Very big.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. They made an estimate three, how much is that?] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Three hundred and eighty feet. Prabhupāda: Three hundred and eighty feet high. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: It is going to be the tallest temple in India. Indian lady: [Transl. Where is it?] Indian man: [Transl. Is it a temple or…] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Māyāpur. Planetorium. Prabhupāda: [Transl. Planetorium and temple. Within the temple one can see the whole planetary system. It will hang like a tree from top.] Indian lady: [Transl. Svāmijī, the banyan tree has been referred to as ūrdhva-mūlam adhaḥ-śākham aśvatthaṁ prāhur [Bg 15.1] It refers to banyan tree, no?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No. This material world is just like a banyan tree, but it's root upwards and branches downwards. The banyan tree we see, it's root is down under the ground. But Gītā says that this banyan tree has it's root up and branches down. ūrdhva-mūlam adhaḥ-śākham. So you want to show the film?] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. After the prasādam. It's all ready. [Transl. After the prasāda you will see the film of our New Vṛndāvana. It is very beautiful.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. One day we went to Mr. [indistinct] house and took prasāda. You couldn't come there.] Indian man: [Transl. I could not understand exactly that day. Some misunderstanding. Then I was late.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No. That's all right.] Indian man: [Transl. This is rice. Little. May we see the temple?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Sure.] Indian lady: [Transl. Very beautiful temple.] Indian man: [Transl. Have you seen?] Indian lady: [Transl. Yes. That's why I am saying.] Prabhupāda: Give them some purīs, no? Indian man: [Transl. When you come back, we will invite you for your darśana.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. I will go. Whenever you say I will come. Give. Give one more.] Indian lady: [Transl. We have eaten so much.] Indian man: [Transl. I eat only once a day. At about 4 pm. I start my work about 9 am and around 4 pm it is finished.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. In old age it is better to eat only one time.] Indian man: [Transl. I don't eat any fried food since many years. Only when some guests come do I eat fried food in small quantity.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. How old are you now?] Indian man: [Transl. I am running 75. You might be more than me.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. I am 81. All my contemporary persons have died.] Indian man: [Transl. All my business associates have gone. None of them are alive. Only one may be there. All others have gone. I am the only one still surviving. It is God's mercy.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yes. The Lord is engaging you so much.] Indian man: [Transl. Often I think that none of my associates are alive and new people come but it does make a difference between new and old.] Indian lady: [Transl. Until younger generation is trained up, one has to continue.] Indian man: [Transl. I will tell him. He came yesterday. I said I will surely go and have his darśana...] Prabhupāda: [Transl. How many children does he have?] Indian man: [Transl. He has one son and one daughter.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. They are grown up?] Indian man: [Transl. No. The son is younger. He is about eight years old. And the girl is older. She is twelve years old.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Your son is twenty-five or thirty?] Indian man: [Transl. No. No. More. He is about forty eight.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Looks young.] Indian man: [Transl. Nowadays young people keep themselves so fit that you cannot make out how old they are.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. They don't have to work so hard. You built it up for them. They get it readymade.] Indian man: [Transl. But I have so much mental tension since my marriage. So much. Every day a new one.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Me too.] Indian man: [Transl. I don't know what's and where is my fault?] Devotee: Anything else you like, sir. Prabhupāda: [Transl. He hardly ate anything.] Indian man: [Transl. I took. Prasāda. Prasāda I took. Prasāda little is okay. Today is Sunday. So children are waiting for us at home.] Indian lady: [Transl. Now it's only 2:30 pm.] Indian man: [Transl. Little more time left. Then the darśana will open.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yuktāhāra-vihārasya yoga bhavati siddhaya. [Bg 6.17] One shouldn't eat too much or too little. You eat as much as you can digest.] Indian man: [Transl. Maintain the body nicely. That's all.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yuktāhāra. In the Bhagavad-gītā each and every word is spoken with profound meaning. The Supreme Lord Himself is speaking. There is no room for interpretation. Brijratanji was supposed to come. He didn't come?] Indian man: [Transl. He went to Delhi.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Delhi.] Indian lady: [Transl. He will go to Vṛndāvana for Janmāṣṭamī.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Give, give. Where is your residence?] Indian man: [Transl. Carmical Road. Above Peddar Road. Near Mahālakṣmī temple.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Carmical Road. I went there.] Indian man: [Transl. You had been to my place.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Girirāja took me there. Carmical Road I know. Very famous.] Indian man: [Transl. Mahālakṣmī temple is below. Above that is Peddar Road and above that is Carmical Road. It's on a hill.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yes Mātājī?] Indian lady: [Transl. May I have little water?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Water? Yes. Give water. Yugal Kishora Birlaji had a desire to build temples all over the world.] Indian man: [Transl. His father build many opulent temples. Recently he built a temple in Kalyan. On last Ekādaśī in the month of Āśādha about 1,50,000 people visited it.] Indian lady: [Transl. In Kalyan a beautiful Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa temple and a Viṭhobā-Rukmīṇī temple.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. No, I am talking about outside India.] Indian lady: [Transl. He tried many times to do that. He went there four times, but could not secure any land.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. In London?] Indian lady: [Transl. Yes.] Indian man: [Transl. Now Churches are available.] Girirāja: Everything is all right? Prabhupāda: [Transl. I also bought Church. We have a temple there on a 70 acres of land. It was donated by George Harrison. It costs 55 lakhs. Another temple is in the city. Two temples.] Indian man: [Transl. I had been to your London temple. It was a rented house.] Indian lady: [Transl. I had been to your New York temple and took darśana. It was there before. Now you have a very big one.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. In New York we have a 12 storey building.] Indian man: [Transl. 12 temples?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. 12 storey temple.] Indian man: [Transl. 12 storey temple.] Indian lady: [Transl. I visited that place six years ago. It was small ISKCON. I took prasāda also.] Indian man: [Transl. We went there five years ago.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Now we have got a big palace.] Indian man: [Transl. Three of your disciples were there. Then we went to a store because we had to buy something. I forgot exactly what it was. But they said that because Lord Kṛṣṇa never ate it so we will not eat also. Such is their devotion.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Their devotion is unshakable.] Indian man: [Transl. Whatever they do, they do it with perfection.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau, tasyaite kathitā hy arthaḥ prakāśante [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.23(2)] Indian man: [Transl. I was really surprised when they said that because Lord Kṛṣṇa didn't eat so we will not eat also.] Prabhupāda: So, where is Girirāja? When you will show… [Transl. Where are you taking the plates? Leave them here only. There is no place outside. Wash your hands. That's all. This is the etiquette we follow in the temple.] Indian lady: [Transl. Leaf plates would have been better?] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Wash your hands.] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: [Transl. Now we will show you the movie. How are you? He is our gurukula boy. You came yesterday? Say one śloka.] Gurukula boy: īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ yat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagat tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam Īśopaniṣad mantra 1]: Indian man: [Transl. Tell us what's the meaning?] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: [Transl. What's the meaning?] Gurukula boy: "Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong." Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: [Transl. Mātājī, now you will watch the picture of New Vṛndāvana. In Vṛndāvana, we have small boys. Here in Bombay we are building a gurukula.] Indian man: [Transl. Where here?] Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: [Transl. In the back side. Our devotees are from everywhere because India is spiritual capital. America is business capital but India is spiritual capital.] [end] Endnotes 1 (Popup - Popup) 'In this age of Kali there is no alternative, there is no alternative, there is no alternative for spiritual progress than the holy name, the holy name, the holy name of the Lord.' 2 (Popup - Popup) "Only unto one who has unflinching devotion to the Lord and to the spiritual master does transcendental knowledge become automatically revealed." —Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.23