Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection Examined

Critique of Darwinian evolution theory

0:01Darwin's the originator of the doctrine of natural selection, or survival of the fittest.

0:15That means that, in the course of adapting to the environment, one type of animal will develop in a particular way which is best suited for that environment, and he will pass on his superior qualities to his offspring so that that particular species will survive, whereas another which is not so suitable to that environment will die out.

0:46So this is called natural selection. Nature selects the different species that can best survive. So what is the explanation of the nature? Well, nature is the combination of physical forces in the universe. What does he say?

1:10About nature. Nature. Well, all phenomena can be explained by means of physical laws. Who made these physical laws? Well, he's not so much concerned with why; he's not concerned.

1:35He's putting some theory or understanding why he's not concerned with some primary principles. He says that we cannot be certain how everything began.

1:52How is he certain that he met these circumstances is favorable and how he's making circumstances?

2:01Well, he made many, many tests; he has much evidence which shows that animals adapt to their environments. Just like, why take animals first? Why not others? Animals, trees, plants, insects, men.

2:22He examines all the different varieties. And for instance, if you put a certain animal in a cold climate, he will develop hair to protect his body against the cold and he will pass on this characteristic to his son.

2:40So why do the people in Greenland develop hair? Well, they don't have so much hair, but they develop very fatty tissues.

2:55Their eyes are slit so there's not so much snow and bright light. Development of hair is not the only existence; there are many other conditions.

3:07You cannot say the development of hair is due to the condition as he said, natural condition. That is not a fixed up; I was just using that as an example. I was just using that as an example of how a species can adapt to its environment.

3:33So the question is, this development of body, is there any plan that this body should exist in certain condition of nature and therefore he must have these equipment, either you say tissues or lens or hair.

4:03So who has made this and that is it? Well his answer to that is chance variation. That is nonsense. There is no such chance. It is chance that makes it a nonsense. He examines that, He examines what is already existing.

4:25But our question is who has made these circumstances, different circumstances or existence or different animals. That is our question. Well just like a frog may lay millions of eggs.

4:45Out of all those millions of eggs, how few, three, four may survive. That means those were the fittest. By chance they happen to be best fitted to survive. Otherwise too many frogs.

5:03Or many other animals, they lay eggs millions. They're a snake, they give birth to so many hundreds and thousands of snakes at a time. So if so many snakes are allowed to exist, then there will be disturbance.

5:27Therefore, the nature's law is that the snake, the big snake, eats up the small snake. That is nature's law. But behind this nature's law, there is brain. That is our proposition. Nature's law is not blind. There is brain.

5:54And that brain is God. We get it from Bhagavad-gītā, mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram. So whatever things are happening in the material nature, it is being done by the indication of the Supreme Lord in

6:20order to maintain everything in order. Just like snakes, their laying is thousand. If they are not killed, then the whole world will be full of snakes. So there is a plan that these snakes will eat. Just like tiger.

6:42Tiger, they also have their cubs, but the male tiger kills them. The female tiger hides them. So many tigers are coming out.

7:01So that is another economic Malthusian theory that matter, there is large number of population, there must be some war, some epidemic, uh some uh uh art artwork like that then they should die.

7:24So uh these natural activities are planned, they're not chance, as he's saying chance, that means he has no knowledge. Well, on the other hand, he has a huge amount of evidence which is gathered.

7:40Evidence, that's all evidence; uh we have also evidence, but evidence must be there. As long as there is evidence, then he should not speak anything of chance.

7:53Just like out of millions of, say, frogs, one frog will be uh better adapted to living in the water. That is not chance. That is planned. That is planned. That is not chance. He does not know that.

8:15As soon as he says chance, that means his knowledge is not perfect. A man says chance when he cannot explain. That is ignorance. Therefore he is not in perfect knowledge, and therefore he is not fit for.

8:43But he sees a plan or design also, but he sees it in a manner. Therefore, if he sees a plan and design, then whose design? And as soon as you call a design, then there must be a designer.

8:54As soon as you call a plan, there must be a planner. That he does not know. He says the plan is only the workings of mechanical nature. No, that is nonsense. Nature is not working mechanically. There is a plan.

9:11The sun is rising exactly according to calculation. Calculation, not first; first of all, sun rises. But we get experience that in a certain season the sun rises at a certain time.

9:26So in that season, exactly to the minute, to the second, the sun rises. See, it is neither chance nor whimsy. There is a plan. There is a plan. Well, now we said that there is a mechanical; who measures mechanical?

9:45As soon as you bring the question of mechanical, there must be a brain who set up the machine. Mechanical means just like your telex is working. But that is mechanical, that's all right.

10:02But behind this machine, there is a big brain. Who has made this possible? Now you are seeing that at the present moment that by pushing one button you get your business done mechanically. But who made this machine?

10:20That is important. This machine has not come out by itself. There is iron and there is some—it is made of iron. So it has not molded itself into that machine. There was a brain who has made the machine possible.

10:42Now, when you are using it, because you have no knowledge. Just like in our childhood, we used to think that there is a man who is in the gramophone box. This is a child's idea. It is not mechanical.

11:00Everything has got a plan, a design, and behind that plan and design there is a brain, a big brain. What do you say? Here is a scientific matter.

Vedic perspective on biological origins

11:11Actually, modern scientists try to prove that life itself started from four specific chemical elements. They are carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen. These four elements are necessary for making all the life processes.

11:32But somehow they say that it isn't made, and they do not know who made it. And therefore their knowledge is not perfect. As soon as we say chemical, we have got experience that it is manufactured.

11:47Some big company, they manufacture chemicals. So if the basic principles are chemical, who made the chemical? That question must be there.

12:02Well, is it just like a hundred years ago we did not know about the existence of uranium? So isn't it possible? You did not know, but the uranium was there. You did not know.

12:19Tell that three hundred years ago that Columbus did not know there is a land. But it was there. But isn't it possible that someday we may be able to discover the source of all these chemicals?

12:33Isn't it possible that someday, even if there is no personal discovery, it is already known? It is not known to you. We know. It is not known to you, but it is known to us.

12:51And the Vedānta says, janmādy asya yataḥ, the original source of everything, Brahman. We know it. And Krishna says, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate. I am the origin of everything.

13:10So we know that there is a big brain who is doing everything. Mayādhyakṣeṇa. But he might say the same thing about us. Huh? Because he might say the same thing. He cannot say the same thing otherwise.

13:30We accept Krishna, not blindly. Our critics, our learned scholars, they have accepted. So we are not blind. Rather, he cannot say anything; as soon as he says "chance," that means he has no knowledge. We don't say "chance."

13:55We have got an original cause. That's all I want: the gene scan. Well, these can be altered by cosmic radiation. Supposing a cosmic ray hits the gene, it may change it slightly. So that maybe it comes out with the same.

14:23That is not the cause, check. Suppose if you have got life, I can kill you with a life. But the question is, where from this life came? I can change my life; that is not very important. Change.

14:42To change it, to find out the origin, where from the genes came. Well, he has a book called The Origin of Species. And he traces back, after while you are testing his knowledge. Yeah, well, I'm trying to explain.

14:57He wants to know the origin, what he thinks is the origin. So they trace back through geological excavation to the most simplest forms of life, and they see that in the... What is the simplest form of life?

15:12They find at the lowest bottom of the soil layers which have built up through the years, they find one-celled animal forms, seashells like that. And then how it is forming?

15:28Well, gradually through the ages they become more and more complex to this age, when what is the beginning? In the beginning they have found only the one-celled animals as they found. But beyond that they do not know.

15:45They found it was already there. Where from it came? Scientists. Another definition that is raised by most modern so-called modern research scientists, they try to find out the meaning of what

16:04is research and what is invention. So many scientists have imposed also the concept that invention, strictly speaking, is a paradox.

16:15What we say invention, I invented something, somebody invented radio or somebody met that, are saying it's not really an invention. They say it cannot come out of nothing. It is already there.

16:28We did not know that it was already there. Policy we say that we invent this. You see the, uh, actually wing up. You see all of a sudden, suddenly. But that is not what is written now.

16:45Well then, how do you explain that if we explain that everything, this source is original source is Brahman, absolute truth, Krishna.

16:55But what we're discussing is the doctrine of natural selection or survival of the fittest. Yes, that natural selection, that law is made by Krishna. So there is a law, there is a sort of, the scientists say,

17:10that we do not know where from it is coming, all of a sudden I see something and you say that it is invention. It is not invention. It is already there. You could not see before, now we can see, that's all.

17:26Just like dinosaurs, these huge animals once existed. And that is his imagination. Well, they found bones. That's all right.

17:37There's a many, we also say from the Vedic śāstra there is trees thinning up which can swallow up big, big whales. You see, that is also very big. And there is Varāha Incarnation. He picked up the whole earth on the tusks.

18:05So how big the Varāha animal was to show that it can pick up the whole earthly planet just like a ball. So he cannot imagine big area. It's such a big animal.

18:24But my point is that they excavate down into the ground and they find that gradually through the years animals are evolving towards more and more complex forms.

18:34From very simple forms in the water to land animals, plants, and these big dinosaurs, and they died out, that was big. But how can you say that the animal is existing somewhere else?

18:57Now, according to his statement, that from a certain basic principle, by gradual evolution the human bodies come. Now his theory is that human bodies are coming from the monkey. They're related. They come same.

19:22Related, everything is related. That is another thing. But the monkey's body is developing into human body. Yes, ape-like man and man. Then after development, human body, where the monkey species does not cease, why not?

19:38Does not cease. Well, they're like branches of the same tree, he calls them. That branches are just like we seen. And human being is also existing. Similarly, we say what he sees the beginning of life.

19:56At that time also there was human being. They find no evidence in the—why no evidence? In the ground, there's no evidence. In the ground. That means the ground is the only evidence; there is no other evidence?

20:13Scientists think that is the only way to maintain integrity, is to not accept anything until they can see it or understand it with their own senses and mind by material evidence. Where from they are starting their study?

20:39They cannot prove. But it appears from the evidence that there are ape-like men in the certain layers. But the ape-like man or man-like ape is already existing.

20:52It will say development, just like from this, it has developed this; that there should be no existence of this. Right. Bhajokara. There's a—now when I see, still both are existing. But the former doesn't exist anymore.

21:18From monkey, man is coming. So there, when man—the monkey develops into man, the monkey should not exist. No. The kāryakāraṇam. Kārya-kāraṇam. The cause and effect. When the effect is there, the cause is finished now.

21:43The monkey didn't cause the man. They came from the same common ancestor. That's their explanation. They had the same common ancestor. That is we say we come from God, the same ancestors, the same father. What is the deal?

22:02Huh? Everyone has the same ancestors. Same ancestors. What is the new thing? But, but, uh, I'm, uh, I, if I'm a Darwinist, your, your explanations are still not satisfactory to me.

22:12I don't, I, I, I'm not convinced because I see... No, no, my explanation is the, uh, bīja-pada is Kṛṣṇa, as Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā. “sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya”.

22:25As many forms are there, I am the bīja-prada pitā, I am the seed-giving father. So what is your objection to this?

22:36Well, if, if I examine the layers of earth, I find no evidence in any of the layers below of any matter; you are packed up with the layers of the earth, that's all. That is your boundary of knowledge.

22:54That is not knowledge. That is not knowledge. There are many other evidences. But if it is, certainly, if there were men living millions of years ago, they would have left man is still living.

23:10But they would have left evidences in the earth.

23:13They would have left evidence behind them, tangible evidence that I could see, the remains of their... If I say that the human society, man after death is burned into ashes. Where does he get the bones?

23:29That's, that's possible, but I don't know. According to our Vedic system, when a man is dead, he's burned into ashes. Where does he get the bones? There is no bones. But there are no other, there is no city. No, no, no.

23:47They remain. But human beings, they burn ashes. So he cannot find out the past human bones.

23:55Another thing is that after a certain number of years, bones cease to be bones. They turn back into chemicals and merge in with the earth. Yes. But what about cities and the tools, these things?

24:07There must be some... But in the, in the lowest layer, there's clamshells and they become fossilized in lower levels; millions of years back, they find clam shells. Well, they say, they say it's for millions of years.

24:22What is there, how do they prove it's for millions of years? Through radioactive, that is an imperfect device. Limited. They don't even agree amongst each other about what the age of things are.

24:38Well, just, just like if you go down a hundred feet below the soil, that soil has been down there a long time, but there's no evidence of men. So I, why it's time to find out men's, uh, born there.

24:53What is the Well I'm just saying that it it appears because layer after layer is deposited in the Earth's crust that the animal forms are evolving to more and more complex forms, from simple animals to bigger animals and then more complex than to the man, civilized man.

25:12No, that didn't begin. Well it began with the simplest forms. Why did that simplest form? Uh small small one-celled animals and bivalves and mollusks and uh simple forms of aquatics.

25:30And so the one-celled animals must be God. No, I'm that isn't what I'm question I'm uh that isn't what what I'm talking about.

25:38I'm just saying that this evolution appears to exist, evolution of species from simplest forms to more complex forms. That's Darwin's idea.

25:49But the simplest form is still existing and the complex form is also existing at the present moment. Yes. Not that from the simplest form developed, developed, developed. Development

26:03means it's like I have developed my my childhood body. The childhood body is no one there. But it is a fair I have developed from childhood body to this body, there is a way.

26:17So similarly, all these species are existing simultaneously. Still. They find no evidence in earlier times that any complex forms existed.

26:33No, no, earlier times and modern times, when I see the all different species, eight million four hundred thousand species of life still exist. So what is the question of development? It existed uh long ago also.

26:49You you might you might not have seen, you have not uh source of knowledge to understand but uh you have to accept it because all these species are now existing similarly millions of years ago, all these species existed.

27:06You might have missed. That is a different thing. But then it's then it's simply a matter of one opinion against another because the science is. No, it is not opinion. It is a fact.

27:16Do you think that this development has ceased all other species, simply human beings there? No, but I I wouldn't I don't see evidence that all these complex forms.

27:28I accept that one this day is by evolution, one after another, the human form is there. The Darwin theory is that some uh some uh forty thousand years ago there was no uh uh human being. Several million years.

27:45But we don't see that because at the present moment we see that all these species are there existing, including human beings. But he says they evolved, that's because they're not evolved, but they're still existing.

28:01Evolved, that is another thing. But all of them are existing still. So how can we say that millions of years they did not exist at all? His theory is, because there's no evidence that they exist.

28:15Evidence, this is the evidence. If now all these species are existing, why not millions of years ago? What do you say? Yes. It was existing. Simply we do not know. Yes. That is one-sided test.

28:33I mean, you can say they existed, but show me. I mean, I don't see it. But if I say ten million years ago, according to my excavations, there were no beasts. They were all a question. That is nonsense. That is nonsense.

28:52Ten millions, you cannot give a history of ten millions; it is your imagination. Where is the history of ten millions of years? You are simply imagining; that is your world. But where is historical evidence?

29:07You cannot give history more than three thousand years. And you are speaking of ten millions of years. This is all nonsense. If I go far into the, how it can go, there is no history in the human history.

29:18There is no history, ten millions of years. No, if I go far, if I dig far into the ground, layer by layer. And at that you are calculating ten millions, it may be ten years.

29:31Because you cannot give history of the human society more than three thousand years. How you speak of ten millions, twenty millions? Well, you are there. It is all imagination.

29:46So you are existing, so existence was not there. How you can say that ten million, twenty million, these things happen? This is simply imaginable. In that way everyone can imagine and say some nonsense.

30:00Everyone can imagine your own way. I can say no, it is not 10 million, fifty million. Well, they have a scientific way of testing that things disintegrate at a certain rate, but it is scientists that... But

30:20about the half-life of certain elements. Yes, and normally what they call the age determination, or how old a species is,

30:28they normally find out from this so-called geological survey, and all this, they find some bone or some something which contains normally carbon, and normally they get this age of the elements or age of these bindings by the so-called carbon-dating method.

30:46Carbon-dating is an isotope of normal carbon; it's called carbon-12. So carbon-dating is radioactive.

30:53So what they do is they put it in the radioactive testing, and they find out because it follows the normal chemical laws or physical laws which is governed by himself, I mean by Krishna himself.

31:07So they find the chemical rules following, and from those chemical laws they normally try to deduce how old the sample is. And that method is very limited.

31:18It is not applicable to all findings, and it has a very reliable test to about five thousand or six thousand years old, but beyond that it's very doubtful whether the finding is really true or not.

31:35It is empiric, and so we cannot fully be convinced that such and such species has been just from that finding. We need more evidence to prove it, well, this sequence of time and its disappearance from the scene.

31:52But it gives a relative value from a so-called modern scientific point of view. So it's not giving absolute values, and we accept. Evolution we accept. But it is not that there is no existence of human beings.

32:06That we do not accept. Evolution we accept. That's like my childhood manifestation is extinct. But there are many other children. So our point is that all these species of life, they are existing simultaneously.

32:30Evolution there is, we accept that. But it is not that one is missing, one is gone away, another existed ten million, thirty million years ago because there was no human being. This is all nonsense.

32:45Well, you mean to say He cannot find in the layer that that is not exactly; for instance, there are no dinosaurs existing now. They are extinct now. But where are they gone? Some other planet, then?

32:58There is some room rather than this planet. He has no chance to see. Do dinosaurs exist on this planet? Yes. You have no chance to see it. Artificial imagination, I mean. That's pretty hard to accept.

33:15What about, what about, um, uh, the dodo? It was a giant—our

33:22proposition is that, uh, there is an evolutionary process as we say, from aquatics, uh, to, to, uh, birds, uh, yeah, plants life, then insect life, then birds life, then uh, animal life, then human life; so this is a evolutionary process we accept.

33:46But it is not that one is extinct and other is surviving. All of them are existing, simultaneously. But they're not present at this particular moment on this planet, right? Oh, what he has seen. That's what I mean.

34:07They may be extinct from this planet, but on some other planet anyway. At least he has no power to see everything. That's that. He's not so powerful that he can see everywhere or anything. That we have to accept.

34:21He has limited power to see. By that limited power to see, he cannot conclude that something is extinct. That's not possible.

Limitations of modern scientific observation

34:32No scientists will accept that. But if your senses by which you are gathering, they are limited, now how you can say this is finished and this is that, is that not to be accepted? Because your senses are imperfect.

34:49You cannot see. Well, you cannot search out. Have you searched out all the, uh, the heart, līlās, or the twenty-five thousand miles everywhere? That is not possible for you.

35:05The whole Earth planet is circumference for 25,000 miles. No representative samples in many places. Our first proposition is this: he says that there was no human being, some millions of them? But that's not a fact.

35:35Because we see all different species of life existing along with human beings. Therefore, it should be concluded this is always existing. Human life is always existing. That is our first charge.

35:49We cannot say there was no human life. But we don't see any dinosaurs. You do not see; your power is very limited.

35:58But we have to conclude in this way when we see at the present moment all the different species of life are existing. Therefore it is existing always.

36:09But I don't see all the... You don't see because you have no power to see. Your senses are very limited. You don't see. And because you don't see, it is not to be accepted. So many people say, "We don't see God."

36:27That does not mean we shall accept what so many people say, the majority of people will say like that. We don't see God. Then we are crazy fellows, running after God.

36:40No, but dinosaurs... But simply because dinosaurs are missing, you cannot say that what about all other species of life? Many, many, many, many are extinct.

37:00But the evolutionary process means one is extinct and another comes. But we see that the monkey... from monkey, man... The monkey is there and man is there. The monkey's not finished. Mm-hmm.

37:16Oh, I remember last time when we discussed this you said, "Well, then why don't we see men coming out of monkeys still?" Why hasn't some man been born out of a monkey? In our experience. The monkeys exist.

37:33The man is existing. So if men came from monkeys, why don't we see it still happening? Yes.

37:46So if you accept that there is an evolution, do you accept that the bodies change because of changing conditions of the natural surroundings? The body is not changed. The body is already there. The soul is changing

38:04body. transmigration From one body to another. Dharma doesn't accept that there's a fixed number of species. That is, the number of species may vary at any time simply according to the natural selection.

38:18But he doesn't give any axiom that there are a certain number of species from which all the variations come. We are saying that there are 8,400,000 species to begin with.

38:28But if you give account for 8,000,000 species, we have no account. We say these are the fixed species. But your calculation of species, first of all, give us an account for 8,000,000.

38:46Then we say that the list is not complete. What about it? It may be within that 8,000,000. But you cannot give us a list. They say that there are new species always evolving. That is not new.

39:01That is within the eight millions. You could not find the same thing. You could not find before that. Now you are finding. Your species, you are—you give us a complete list. What is the evolutionary process?

39:15From what form it began and how it comes? You cannot give any fixed list. That is your imperfect knowledge. You are simply waiting. It may be changed. It is a chance with this or that, etc.

39:29Just like, let's say, some condition changes suddenly in an environment. Suddenly any condition changes within that eight million. Because you cannot give us any list.

39:45So then you have to accept whatever species of life may take by changes of circumstances, or that will be within the eight millions.

39:56It's like if you open a marketplace, at any given point you can go through the marketplace and see whether it's this kind of person, this kind of person, then he may go away from the marketplace.

40:06So because he goes away, you can't say that that person doesn't exist anymore. Actually, in Darwin's concept, he used the natural selection, but he doesn't go far enough what that necessarily is.

40:21He used the term natural... He he thinks that perhaps at one time... That means nature is working. Yeah. Nature is working. But he cannot explain how nature is working.

40:43At one time he says the one ape developed an opposing thumb, so he was able to use tools, grasp things. But he became superior and passed that quality on to his offspring. And that developed into them.

40:57Simply by the... And then is the offspring. And then the same question comes: why the monkey does not produce offspring and air? What is this nonsense?

41:09Scientists. Scientists often take the shelter of this premise that, "Well, it's not... we don't... it's not we're not trying to find out..." Whenever they're asked, "Well, what is the original source?" they say, "We're not concerned with that, we're concerned with just examining the phenomenon of that source."

41:24Yeah. That is childish, that is childish. Just like I am singing the Govinda. Without man, that cannot mean singing. That is in the box, there must be one. This is childish calculation. Phenomenon studying is childish.

41:43Our child is a thing, our family is running. There must be some ghost. He's running. So this sort of phenomenal study is not scientific study. It is not scientific.

41:56If you don't find the original cause, that is not scientific. Well that's what they're looking for, but because they can't produce a satisfactory answer, they have to they have to say well we're not looking for that.

42:07Yeah that is come forward with an answer. That is uh what is called uh principal logic or something like that? No.

42:27You you must admit though, being a scientist, that supposing you go down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, you see so many layers of earth going up thousands of feet that the layers at the bottom are very, very old, you must admit, because the earth takes so many years to deposit soil.

42:47But even even if it's uh only one million years, it's still very old. And in that lowest layer, we find only evidence of simple. Where is it? The Grand Canyon is the example.

43:03That's a very deep uh canyon in the ground in Arizona.

43:08There was no R even digital by the uh it's not in the area does it happen to be well they don't find it uh where somewhere human beings are somewhere but just happened human beings aside, we still find that's like desert.

43:26There is not human being. Yeah. But if you if you d dig the desert, why is it that's right. It doesn't matter if it's just all if it was ocean.

43:34Still we find gradually the the it But we cannot say where is the beginning and where is the end. No knowledge is in fact.

43:46Except if if if we say the origin of species uh is simplest the simplest form, one cell How how how the species l living force uh came in? What did they call it? How do you tell me? Where f where from the life begins?

44:10Well it's still amazed the principal question of who is the creator. If I build I can build a big house or I can build a small box. The point is who's the builder?

44:19So it's a very question of who is the who's even if even if everything started with a one celled animal, what started with the one cell animal?ell that W from the one cell can.

44:29That they say he says they can comes from four different chemicals, oxygen, hydrogen, what from the chemical can? Then that's the view. Well that's still like the chemical. We still may be able to discover some day.

44:42That means you are a fool. That you are glad. As soon as you say "still," then you are fool number one. That is that is our point. Yeah, that's what the modern scientists are doing.

44:53They're trying to make life in the test tube. So what they're planning to do is so-called biochemists, the present time.

45:04So what they do is they're going to... This molecule is a... this is a necessary molecule for its lively thing.

45:18So they're going to make certain combinations of these molecules and put in the test tube and find out whether there is life coming up from the test tube and then trying to prove how life was formed.

45:28But this is a foolish idea that they will never be able to make the... they have a set of fools and going on under the name of scientists. Set of fools.

45:43So-called thesis, the thesis, one of the famous thesis, Heisenberg, his famous Heisenberg, he introduced the concept of theory of uncertainty and he found out certain physical laws that govern certain parts of the local universal system of laws, why the planets are moving around around the sun and why they have a definite course and so forth, but he did not know what was the answer.

46:12So he named the title of the theory was called the theory of uncertainty.

46:17And then based on that there are so many proofs coming up, but the form uncertainty itself implies that there is some basic principle and they are kind of building up. That missing link, let him learn from us.

46:41We can give him the missing link. But ultimately they'll say it'll come down to like we propose that Krishna is the creator or that God is the creator, then they'll say, Well then that must be proved to me.

46:56In other words, they want to fit God within their own inferred gaze. That will be their only satisfaction when they actually become able to circumvent God's existence and create a power by their own intelligence.

47:07No, no, He actually exists. He has to admit that the theory of uncertainty is bogus. But everything is there and there must be, behind all these things, there must be a big brain. That the one abstraction.

47:26It's simply uncertainty, that is not a fact. The certainty is that behind all these things there is a big brain. I do not know it. That is different. But there is a big brain.

47:40Darwin, he was not so much interested in those questions of origin, those things, but he was a botanist, a biologist. He simply wanted to investigate how things evolved from simple forms to be able to say how they evolve.

47:57He captured something out of his imagination. But he cannot explain. From simple forms to more complex forms? Yes. Well, he says that this happens through mutation.

48:12But he does it in the laboratory by mutation, by combination. They can do that. No, he says that is not possible.

48:19For example, they find that they're just like I said earlier, the basic elements of like chemical carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen.

48:26But you know the theory of the gene—not theory, but the practical proof—that the genes can be mutated by bombarding and causing rays. That they proved by so-called... that's right, the cancer.

48:40An example of that mutation is a cancer cell; they're trying to find out how cancer is caused in the body. They say that somehow the cell has been changed. And they say that has been a mutation.

48:50And so they try to prove it in the laboratory by changing the structure of the cell by what they call mutation. So let's say by that, the cancer... because cancer is an abnormal cell. This is a normal cell.

49:02But then goes by that. But in answering why these elements are formed from these specific four chemicals: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen.

49:14They say that somehow this nitrogen and hydrogen they combine forming ammonia, or this so-called ammonia from nitrogen and hydrogen. They say somehow this forms.

49:27And somehow by combination of hydrogen and oxygen, water is formed. Somehow by combination of carbon and hydrogen and oxygen, this so-called carbon-hydrogen is... But they say somehow this forms.

49:41But they didn't know how this forms. So that isn't what I... well, all the Darwin is interesting. I'm just discussing Darwin, the evolution of species, how one type of

49:53body evolves to another type due to the changing conditions. And that because he has evolved a certain body, he's best adapted to survive in that condition, so that his species survives.

50:08So the scientists have shown that if by bombarding with cosmic radiation or radioactive elements, that a gene or a cell can change, mutate. So a different kind of animal comes out.

50:23One kind of mother, a different kind of animal comes out. But we say that different kind of animal is not beyond this eighty-four thousand, yeah. Actually, it's not completely different animal.

50:38Variation just will be changed. But another point in that connection is nature makes its own equilibrium, balance of all the species. Nature makes an equilibrium, all are balanced. Yeah. Nature, that's right.

50:54Naturally balancing all the species. It's no question of making another species, perhaps, or something. This is already made. It has already been done by nature. What is that nature?

51:06We have to ask, we have to go into the real nature. What is nature? Some islands off of Peru, the Galapagos Islands, and he found different species of life that exist there that don't exist anywhere else.

51:27So that they must have evolved. That means he has not seen all these species. Because he has not traveled all over the universe. Yeah. He has seen one island, but he has not seen the whole creation. No. How can you fix it?

51:54There may be many others he has not seen. But the only thing that I want to, the only thing he has tried in this earthly planet is how the bodies change, but there are many other millions of planets.

52:12He has not seen all of them. He has not excavated, dug the depth of all the planets. So how can he conclude that this is all? He has not seen everything. Neither is it possible for him.

52:34But according to conditions, different conditions in the planet, natural conditions. Yes, but he has not seen different conditions in different planets. Suppose the sun planet, the condition is hot.

52:49So how can life exist in the sun? He has no knowledge. Yes, you point out in the introduction of the Śrī Īśopaniṣad that deductive conclusions are always imperfect.

53:02Because you have to be able to deduce everything in order to come up to the right conclusion.

53:08Look, if you live in a village where everyone is only five feet tall, you may deduct that everyone that exists is only five feet tall. That is not possible for you. How many millions of villages are there?

53:29But see, we're talking about two different things now. He's talking about the doctrine of natural selection or survival of the fittest. The natural selection, that means that is not his selection. Natural selection.

53:45Natural selection. And so nature is more powerful than him. So he has not studied nature. Well, he studied how nature's body, how the bodies change. No, he has not studied. He has studied in a particular place only.

54:00But nature means, when you speak of nature, suppose he has studied within this place. But in nature means there are millions of watches, but he has not studied that.

54:10So you say the doctrine of natural selection is not—natural selection is there. But how the natural selection is working, he does not know that.

54:19And besides, we know from Vedic information that the species, from one end, from the smallest germ up to the highest demigod, they're progressively more advanced.

54:28So anyone can come along and take out a small eclipsed portion of that sequence and propose a theory that the species is advancing. But that gamut, that range, perspective of higher and lower is existing.

54:42But not that it's evolving, but that it just exists. It's already there. I am simply changing place. Transmigration. That is our conclusion. Transmigration. But you still have an answer to say that.

54:58There is first class, second class; they already exist. But if you pay more, you come to the first class; you cannot say now the first class is now created. Because it already exists.

Transmigration and the spiritual soul

55:15So this, their defect is that they have no information of the soul. The soul is transforming. The forms are already there. The soul is transmigrating from one apartment to another apartment. That they do not do.

55:41But still, I'm not convinced that if we geologic and make geological investigations all over the world, not just the Grand Canyon or here or there, but in many parts of the world we always find the same thing, that if you say that you have studied all over the world, I will say no, you have not studied all over the planet.

56:04Then you are still defective. Let's just re-confine it to this planet. No, why should you confine? Nature is not only within self.

56:12Because you said that millions of years ago there are different complex forms of life existing on this planet. You say millions of years before there were complex forms of life on the—no, not in this planet.

56:24Maybe anywhere. Because when we say in nature, nature is not combined, it is all limited within this planet. That you cannot.

56:35When you say in nature, nature is this material nature; there are millions of universes and millions of planets in each and every universe.

56:45You have studied, suppose you have studied this planet; that is not sufficient knowledge. So, but you said before that millions of years ago there were complex forms of life on this planet.

56:57Man, horses, animals, yes, and elephants. But it is from hundreds of different sources of this, I say, I say, as is still existing.

57:11The man is existing, the horse is existing, the snake is existing, the insect is existing, the trees are existing. Why not millions of years ago? There's no evidence. This is the evidence. This is the evidence.

57:29Then sir said, you cannot give the history of this planet. Suppose that the existence of the sun, you cannot give any history. The sun was existing millions of years ago. It is not that the sun is created now.

57:49So the sun is existing now, the moon is existing now, then why shouldn't they have existed millions of years ago? The sun is existing. And within the sun everything is existing.

57:59So if the sun is existing, the other things must be existing. That is my conclusion. They may be existing, but on this planet we have no evidence. That means you limit your study to one planet. That is not full knowledge.

58:21Why, then? Well, if you make claims that millions of years ago there were complex forms of life on this planet. Why not? I never said on this planet. By nature's way, everything is existing.

58:45So on this planet there were not complex forms of life in many species? No, man may be, may not be. That is not the point. The point is that everything is existing in the nature's way.

58:58The species, as we say, from Vedic language, eight million four hundred thousand are fixed up. So maybe in your neighborhood and my neighborhood it is there, but they are fixed up. I like that.

59:13You simply, if you study your neighborhood, that is not particular all right. But I want to understand that the theory of evolution is that from simple forms of life, more complex forms evolve. Yeah.

59:36That's all, but they are all existing still. Yes. They're not extinct. Alright. That is the point. Alright. But on this planet, if we now, if we examine this planet. And then we come to this planet.

59:46Why are you sticking to this planet? What if the most complex began, in the Vedic information, we found out the most complex living entity was first. And from him he created all the variations.

1:00:00So if from the most complex to the most simple was evolved, then if you have the wrong information you could look at it and say it was the opposite. From the most simple to the most complex evolved.

1:00:12The sequence is there, and if you observe it the wrong way, you may conclude it's going in the opposite direction.

1:00:18But so the Vedic scriptures, and you say that on this planet there were pastimes, for instance, of Lord Rāma millions of years ago with his men and his animals, his horses, deers, so many things.

1:00:41But in all of our evidences we find only at that time the most simple. With your evidence you will be satisfied with your evidence. But I want my... But evidence. Why shall I accept your evidence?

1:00:55You cannot force your evidence, so-called evidence, upon me. Evidence. What is evidence? First of all, we have to select what is that evidence. Terrestrial, geological? No, that is not evidence. That is not evidence.

1:01:16That is imperfect. We have studied one portion of the creation. That is not evidence. In other portion of the trees and there is the one thing. So that is not evidence. Your study is not evidence.

1:01:37But the evidence closed by Darwin's theory, it's not enough to explain. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. There is an evolution of evolution we accept. There is no world about that point.

1:01:55But we say there are 8 million 400,000 subspecies of life. Evolution is coming through there.

1:02:03But you cannot give us any list that so many we give real evolution that there are eight million four hundred thousand species forms of life and the living entity is coming through that.

1:02:18Evolution is taking from year to year. And how many there? You can answer. You simply say "missing". Something missing. Something is added, something is all vague.

1:02:34But from that, if you admit that you are imperfect in knowledge, then it is no use of citing scientific evidence. But what I want to know is that you are an evolution we admit. Yes. But your evolution theory is not perfect.

1:02:56Our evolution theory is perfect. But it appears that the evolution is from simple to complex. That we are made. Simple. That we are made. There is no difference.

1:03:09But you cannot say what is the simple and what is the complex and what are what are the you say something missing. That is basic. Why should you miss it? If you are in knowledge, we must say this thing is missing.

1:03:26That you have no knowledge. And it's just an axiom that any part of knowledge is perfect, then the whole knowledge is perfect. Yeah. If you have any part of the truth, you have to have the whole truth in the highest sense.

1:03:39So if their theory is at all correct, at all any of the premises is solid, then why it doesn't conclude itself by some logical deduction? Why we always have to allude to something missing? Some missing fact. Jīvo jātiṣu.

1:03:54The Padma Purāṇa says: "Jīvo jātiṣu." So different species of life are they give from this, from this, from this, from this, from this. Now that like it is said that from bird's life, the beast life comes.

1:04:18Now the beast and this category is of three million types of beast. Just like they find evidence of a large bird pterodactyl which has beast-like properties and has legs also.

1:04:36And they say that from that kind of bird evolved the more beast-like to say beasts.

1:04:43Just like we say that uh krimi-yoni-sattva-prakāśinām daśa-lakṣaṇam: from the insect life, the birds-like develops that we see practically. Worm has become fly, better flight. In the grass, worm becomes a better flight.

1:05:04That is, that is evidence. But at that time when there were only insects existing at that time, everything was existing. It's not evolution of the species, it's evolution of the soul, the existing species. Yeah.

1:05:18Transmigration. Yes. From one body to another. So for instance.

1:05:23For instance, they say during the ice age, when the earth became very cold and there were great ice formations in Europe and America, that this animal they called a mammoth.

1:05:39It's an elephant-like animal, but it had long, very long hair for warmth, suddenly this species appears.

1:05:46Does that mean that that body existed always somewhere else, but it just suddenly appeared in order to live here in that environment? Well, if it is indeed a different species. What do they qualify as a different species?

1:06:01I mean, it's like one man has lots of hair on his body and one man doesn't. That doesn't make him a different species necessarily. Yeah, but in this case, elephants always lived in the tropical.

1:06:12They were living in hot climates. Suddenly they had to adapt to the cold. Oh, that's back. With the change of season, different animals are also produced. Uh-huh. Yeah. But it is not that they are coming new.

1:06:34They are already existing. appearing, Yeah. Appearing and disappearing according to the situation. Just like this Los Angeles city there is a flood from the ocean. All men die. That doesn't extinct.

1:06:59The men are there somewhere else. You cannot say a human species is now extinct. Supposing one man is particularly adapted and he is smart, intelligent, he survives when everything else is killed.

1:07:18So that he would say that he may survive, that we don't visit. But he would say that that man passes on his superior traits to his children. He survived, but many other men like him, they're existing somewhere.

1:07:35He may survive of this catastrophe. But that does not mean that other men are all extinct. Can I say? In these circumstances, this man may serve life or may not serve life. But man is existing somewhere else.

1:07:58Look at another example. For instance, there is a dog called a Pekingese dog. It was made by men. It was developed by men.

1:08:08They took a certain type of dog and crushed its jaws in so many instances until eventually that trait was passed on naturally to its offspring. Yes. So we are speaking of dog species. But it's a new type of dog. New type.

1:08:30It never existed before that. Here. New type and that will not exist also. Because it is artificial, it is existing now. Now it will not exist again.

1:08:41That's just like the Indians, when the babies are young, they put a board on their head so that they're like that. But now this dog is produced naturally. Like that, tastes like that. But it's still a dog. Yeah.

1:08:54The dog species. But it's a new species of dog. Well, they may call it a new species, but according to Vedic definition, it's a new species. Well, what do you define by species?

1:09:06You mean different types of men? You say definition of species according to biological is different. We say species means jati, human race. Say four hundred thousand species of humans. Different levels of consciousness?

1:09:24Yeah. Different levels of consciousness. I see. And within any species, there could be an infinite variety of variations of that one species. But uh the scientists, they are species-defined. Yes.

1:09:42Yeah, that we are making divisions. Uh, there's uh four hundred thousand different types of men. They say this is one species.

1:09:55So would you say, for instance, uh someone who is less intelligent or more intelligent than I am is in a different situation?

1:10:03But less intelligent, more intelligent does not make any species, because suppose you have got uh five uh children. Now one is less intelligent and more intelligent.

1:10:16Well, he was just saying levels of consciousness determine this. Yes, this is levels of consciousness. Uh, that uh just like we divide the human society. Some men are brāhmaṇa, some men are kṣatriya, some men are vaiśya.

1:10:31That can be found in any time. Those are species? They are not species. No. We said that... I then, what is a different species of man separate from me? For instance, what is another species that is different than I am?

1:10:53I do not know exactly the species, but whenever it means jāti. Mānuṣa-jāti. I mean, what is an example of different species of men? What are they, for example? Several species of men.

1:11:12I say that species, this word is not applicable in that sense. In that sense, but when we say species, class you can say. Classes. Classes. What is it? Again, when that just like uh we are a class, Kṛṣṇa-conscious class.

1:11:35Our mentality is different from others. Oh. Therefore we are a class. So tribes, more like tribal distinctions? Not exactly tribal. By interest and culture. By culture. I see. By differentiation of culture. Those are species.

1:11:54Yeah. I see. The Aryan, non-Aryan. We are all human beings. But why you say one area and another non-Aryan? It is difference of culture. That's all.

1:12:11If there's different say for example there's the Caucasian race, the Negroid race, different races like that, if they're all living in the same say they they all grow in Krishna consciousness movement.

1:12:23Then they're all The Krishna consciousness movement is not on the uh basic principle of this body. It is basically on the soul. Therefore you will find everyone safe. But otherwise it's it goes because it is culture.

1:12:41When it comes to the spiritual platform, there is no question. Even animal we can accept. Just like we are citing Hanumān. He is an animal. But because he is devotee of Ramchandra, we are safe.

1:12:56But that doesn't mean we are anymore. You mean like Bengalis are a different species than Gujaratis? Something like that? However uh jāti means of the same culture.

1:13:19So people he may be Gujarati, he may be Bengali, he may have any so for instance carpenters are different than uh field workers like that different interests. Why different interests? Interest is earning money.

1:13:37So you may earn money in some way, I may earn money in some way. You may earn money in some way.

1:13:42So is the is the uh primary factor of the variation is how how much advanced they are in Krishna consciousness and how least advanced they are in Krishna? So there are only two species.

1:13:58This concept is coming through so many species. Animals. They they are trees. They have no plants of, but there is living, the soul is there. But I'm still trying to understand what you mean by the species of human life?

1:14:20I don't it's not clear to me. It's not clear to me. I don't understand what you mean by the different species of human life. By culture. By culture. Yeah. One class, how to make it. But everyone is looking for money.

1:14:32Say, you said the field worker is not the same as or is the same as the carpenter because they're both looking for money. Yeah. But one knows how to earn money very easily and one may not know that. That is culture.

1:14:49That is culture. One man is sitting in one place, earning daily, one lecture, maybe. So big industrialists and field workers are two different species of men. Not species, but class. Duty. Guna.

1:15:10So when you say 400,000 species of human life, it's a culture. It's different than what we think of as species. So the angle of vision is not from the bodily, it's from the closeness of the soul to Krishna consciousness.

1:15:33As far as they're able to do that. So I'm consistent. That cannot be questionable culture. But when the scientists say species, they mean different types of bodies. Yes. We say 400,000 species and different forms of body.

1:16:05So human body. Just like Negroes, they are also human. And you are also human. So these scientists will say they are all one species, human being. We will say the Negro culture and the Aryan culture is different.

1:16:28And they also say the bodies are different. They also say the bodies are different, Negroid bodies or Caucasian bodies or Oriental. Then you can say species. Species are different bodies. Species mean different bodies. Yeah.

1:16:43That's what I... So the consciousness also, the body or my form, it has it's pertaining to my consciousness, the development of my consciousness.

1:17:01But you just said, for instance, that industrialists and farmers are two different species of men.

1:17:08But there could be a Negro industrialist. I already said that. Why don't you... species definition of the scientific is different from ours; we say class.

1:17:20I'm trying to understand because you said class, but then you also said bodies. Negro bodies are different than white, uh, Caucasian bodies. Maybe develop some body.

1:17:36But that does not, uh, therefore our, uh, classification on the cases of soul, the soul is equal. In spite of different types of body, the soul is one. There is no change of the soul.

1:17:54Therefore, in the Bhagavad-gītā, he said that he does not see the species or the class or definition.

1:18:02He sees one, paṇḍita, some other paṇḍita, one who sees to the bottom, the soul, he does not find any details of this species at all.

1:18:14This is what Darwin and similar material scientists, they have no information of the soul, but yet they're trying to be missing the whole point.

1:18:27But they're trying to find out information for themselves and for others around them.

1:18:31But not knowing who they are, they're drawing on a material platform which is infinite, or at least infinite as far as their capacity to understand.

1:18:39So not only they will never be able to understand the construction of the material arrangement, but the ultimate issue, it has no pertinence anyway.

1:18:47It doesn't mean anything to them. No, it does mean something if you accept

1:18:52that forms are evolving from simpler to complex, that means that we can expect in future that mankind will even be of more superior nature than we are now. One part more superior than the other part.

1:19:18That possibility is also there. We know that by performances of certain types of sacrifices you can become and go to the demigod planet. Take a higher, that defense is that one apartment is better than the other apartment.

1:19:31Material. Mm-hmm. They would say that from the lowest apartments we are evolving to the better apartments. Yes. So according to your position. Third class apartment.

1:19:48But as you are fit to pay the rent or price, then you are allowed to control into the apartment. The apartments are already there, first class, second class, third class. They are not developed.

1:20:00They say all living things on this earth are evolving in that way from lower to higher. I mean that in the history of the earth this also may be accepted.

1:20:14Because just like at a certain period people are constructing a certain type of apartment. Next day, they construct a different type of apartment. That can be accepted. But the apartment itself is not evolved.

1:20:36The evolution is taken of the apartment on the desire of something else. On a desire of something else. So just like they do not know. Oh, I see. Just like they say simply the apartment is changed.

1:20:55Just like if it suddenly got cold, these spirit souls would desire to be warm, suddenly would evolve a body with hair.

1:21:02That's we say that now according to the type of mentality and the time of death, you get another apartment. But the apartment is already there. I see. So if conditions suddenly change, change of mind.

1:21:20A new apartment would arrive on the scene because the not will arrive, it is already there. Yeah. It would appear. It is already there. Yeah. Material nature has it in its closet. Yes.

1:21:33It just gives you that dress. If we want this one, yeah. If you want this one, yeah. And then all the others will die out and that new one will begin because. Everyone is die. Everyone will die. It means change his apartment.

1:21:52Now at the time of changing apartment, suppose I am here, I have to change another. So I can select my apartment. What kind of apartment I shall have. But that apartment is already there.

1:22:09I'll have to simply make arrangement. That's all. It is not that I'm creating that apartment. The elements, material elements, ingredients are already there. Already there. Possibilities are unlimited, so it's true.

1:22:29It's not possible to make such a choice. That apartment is fixed up, eight million four hundred thousand. Now you can enter into any apartment. Or it is to be ascertained that you cannot think beyond this.

1:22:52Just like a hotel owner, he has got different types of apartment. And he knows the customer cannot think beyond. So any customer wants, I be disappointed.

1:23:05But by nature's way, there is eight million four hundred thousand apartments. You simply change according to your mentality. All right, so that's arranged. But to go back to apartment is not evolving.

1:23:21I am evolving in this sense, but I am changing one apartment to a better apartment. Better apartment is already there.

1:23:33To go back to this uh survival of the fittest theory, supposing we are all uh here and the water comes, like you said, supposing one of these persons in Los Angeles has the ability to breathe in water, somehow or other he can breathe underwater.

1:23:51So we have no object. So he survives. Everyone else he survives means he survives means that even if he's dead, that does not mean that species is dead. Another human being and other part of the world.

1:24:04Yeah, all right, I accept that. But I mean I want to So you say that because he does not survive, the whole species is extinct. No, but he survived. One man survives because he's able to breathe in the water.

1:24:15But how's he able to breathe in the water? Well, he's adapted, he's mutated somehow. But what has been that selective principle that he's adapted?

1:24:23Well, it's As a practical, you do not uh find anyone that one can breathe within the water. No, it's only an example. So you should give an example which is pretty much a fish called a lungfish which most fish have gills.

1:24:42They breathe underwater with their gills, they extract oxygen from water.

1:24:46But there's one fish in Africa that has developed lungs so that because it lives in an area where the water sometimes goes away, so it must be able to breathe oxygen from the air.

1:24:57So they say out of millions of fish in that water, one had happened to have a pair of lungs. So we say that is already existing. We say there are nine hundred thousand species of fish.

1:25:14So the selecting principle is there, but all species are always already there. Exist. Yes. The selection will simply be dictated by the so-called observance of selection is just the circumstance. The water is going away.

1:25:29So what's the selection of the species of life? I can select from fish I can become man, I from man I can become fish. So that fish desire to survive in that condition. Yeah. I see. Therefore there is a natural law.

1:25:48Just like the hotel keeper. He has got experience. The customers come and they want these sort of facilities. So he has made all the facilities there to receive all kinds of customers. Similarly, it is God's creation.

1:26:04He knows how much a living entity can think of. So he has made all these species. If he thinks like this, come on here. Nature, yes, pratiti, nature is often in fact. Yes, come on.

1:26:20God, Krishna, as Paramātmā, is in the heart, he knows. He wants this. He orders immediately in nature, the giving this apartment. And nature of it. Yes, come on. This is yet explained.

1:26:33So I understand that and I'll accept that. But the one thing I'm still puzzled on is that there's no geological evidence that in former times on this planet there were more than the other.

Ancient history and Vedic authority

1:26:46Why you are taking geological evidence as final? Why are you taking that? That is final. Science. No, why logic? Science is progressive. You cannot say that this is final.

1:27:03Scientists couldn't deny, they could just say, "Well, we haven't found any evidence yet." But until there's something that disproves it to me, then I must accept it.

1:27:16So I accept, I'll conclude on the basis of my limited knowledge 'cause I don't have the perfect knowledge. Yeah. That's an assumption. But, oh, I mean, it's all right.

1:27:26You can say that I've never seen a a purple man so there must be no such thing as a purple man. You can say that. But as far as I can operate within my practicality, there are no purple men. I've never seen one.

1:27:47No one has ever seen purple men. So isn't this logical? I'm just using it as an example. But you have not also seen it. Why you have an example? Well, that I'm using it as an example of an example.

1:28:01No, what you are, scientifically, what you have never seen, why you're thinking of like that. But using it as an example of an experience. Why example, why you give you a critic example, which I have no experience.

1:28:13Alright, then then let's say no one has ever seen, uh, no, no, that is another thing. You cannot say which you have never seen, at least. Because your is experimental. Yes. I may say. But you at least cannot say like that.

1:28:30Right. I, I have excavated in all parts of the world and every time I go to the place, no, you have not excavated in all parts of the world, that is another launch. Well, on seven continents I have excavated.

1:28:45But at seven continents is not the whole world. That is our chart. You are claiming that you have exhibited all. We say no. Not even an insignificant force. So your learning is limited.

1:29:08Dr. Pra. Dr. Pra is limited within the three feet twelve. And it says, I have seen everything. But at least in thousands of places they have moored into the earth or dug into the earth. Yeah.

1:29:27And they've thousands of places not finishing the whole planet. They're always coming up with something new. Yeah. They're having to revise their theory. Just like that pamphlet.

1:29:36They had to revise the whole theory about carbon fourteen. Because they found a new factor in the deterioration of the element which they never before considered.

1:29:44Experimental knowledge is always important because they are experimenting with imperfect senses. That is they must be important. Our social number is different. We, we don't depend on experimental knowledge.

1:30:10That is also a limited space. You cannot say you have executed a portion of the art and that is all. You cannot say that. So far anyway, all right. So far means that is, uh, not all.

1:30:26That is so far, as soon as it means so far that is not all.

1:30:32But, uh, so surely we must be practical and say that every practical means only operate on things that we have, uh, practical, uh, means which is which is beyond your knowledge, beyond your capacity. That's impractical.

1:30:47So nothing is practical. How can I how can I theorize there were other uh higher is partially?

1:30:54Yes, but if I accept your if I accept your uh knowledge, how can I say uh theorize that there were higher forms of life millions of years ago.

1:31:05If I have never found any evidence and I have searched, this is the evidence hundreds of years. This is the evidence. You have to see to the uh evidence.

1:31:13Because there are so many I th there are in in in the evolutionary there are so many species of life, say eight million four hundred thousand, they're all existing now.

1:31:26They're all existing now, therefore why should I conclude that millions of years they did not exist? But you say they're all existing now, but I don't see the dinosaur. There's no dinosaurs in this planet.

1:31:38But that is not uh the uh the uh you know dinosaur you may not have seen and uh it may be existed some other life. Uh neither I have seen the eight million or different forms of life.

1:31:55But my source of knowledge is different. Your source of knowledge is different. You are experimental with imperfect senses. I am taking from the perfect, who has seen, who knows things. Therefore my knowledge is that.

1:32:11That's the same example. I am receiving uh knowledge from my mother, here is your father. And you are trying to search out where is your father. You don't go to the mother, but you are searching out.

1:32:25Therefore, however you may search, your knowledge always will be imperfect. And your your knowledge says that billions of years ago there were higher forms of living entities on this planet. Oh yes.

1:32:37Because our our Vedic information is that the first creation is the most intellectual that the most intellectual personality within this universe, Brahmā.

1:32:49How we can say, how we can accept your theory that intellect develops. We are receiving Vedic knowledge from Brahmā, so perfect. So that is the evidence. The first creature was so perfect. You're accepting authority anyway.

1:33:09We're accepting Darwin's authority that he went to these islands and found these animals. How do we know he went to the islands and found the animals? No you can go there now and find them. They're still there.

1:33:20But you have to go there to uh make it more than the deduction. But he did not go into the how, who caused this? How is this been done? How is it going? Yes. They call it doctrine of natural selection. Doctrine. Doctrine.

1:33:51Theory. So doctrine, doctrine should be fact. But, uh, Darwin's theory. It's not called theory, it's doctrine. But the, in, but the meaning, what they mean by doctrine, is that they can't agree on it to say it's fact.

1:34:09But there's so many shortcomings that they'll call it a doctrine, but they won't call it a fact. That's practically the whole story in scientific research. The real scientists, they never call anything a solid fact.

1:34:21It's always a theory or a doctrine. Because they never find a perfect enough conclusion which takes into account everything and perfectly recognized. Oh, this is called theory, uncertainty's theory of uncertainty.

1:34:34That is a theory. Yeah. That has to do with atomic particles.

1:34:38Uh, something, the, uh, John Dalton, early nineteen hundred, when he... found out the smallest particles of the atom, there was a theory that was accepted for about ten, twenty years.

1:34:50Long before, in Greek times, Democritus. But the, and the real theory is started by Dalton, that was accepted for... several years. But later on, in the new advancement, this theory changed.

1:35:03This theory became disproved, that what you're saying is not right, it's not final. So his theories can change, it's the same thing, Darwin's theory... can change.

1:35:15But his impact upon the thinking of the world so completely changed the... the whole conception of that is now changing, ain't it? So what is the use of that such change?

1:35:28So we have to investigate because it's important for our... No, that's all, I didn't investigate. That if theory changes, it will change, that's all. It is not a fact. Sun rising is a fact. It cannot change.

1:35:46Still, you say if there were high forms of, say, Brahmā... in Brahmā's time or millions of years ago, there were also other high animals besides... men, and there were all, besides men, there were other high animals, higher animals.

1:36:02All I'd say that all kinds, different classes are formed. They're existing. I mean, since the creation. On this planet there were higher forms. Possible. Why are you taking this planet? We are talking of the whole creation.

1:36:19But in the creation everything is there. I mean if you expect me to uh understand it this I I have to see it from this on this planet. No, that is not planet. Possibly there were and possibly there weren't.

1:36:34That's you you tell me that that the uh Rāma and so some other uh higher creatures lived on this planet so many millions of years ago. So I can expect someday to find evidence of the that.

1:36:52What other authority will you accept? You dig up a bone? If you dig up a bone and make a test with your own senses and accept that as an authority. Bone authority.

1:37:04So if you be satisfied with your own authority, we have got our different authority. If you don't accept my authority, then I don't accept none of it.

1:37:25It would just it would just seem if there if there were bones surviving for millions of years, why not cities? Why not chariots? Why not Yeah. Well they found pieces of chariots and pieces of cities.

1:37:43Not millions of years ago. Well how do they know it's not millions of years ago? What is their test? That millions and that is a bolus. See?

1:37:53There is no history more than three thousand years, that's probably a million thousand years. Why but you're a scientist, what other ways do they date geological findings? How do they date them?

1:38:07Normally this uh is the one the most reliable case. But before they discovered that, how did they date they had they knew the Pleistocene, the Eocene, all these different ages. And they how did they date them?

1:38:21They all remain sufficient if they all remain their own postulation, according to their own sense impressions. And because the initial the initial format is imperfect, the conclusion has to be imperfect.

1:38:32So knowledge always remains fallible and mutable. Whatever basics they put it on. It's it's what they've derived out of their own sense impression. It's imperfect. Yeah, I admit it.

1:38:43Admitted, but uh I I think I say that that So dealing on a s on a whole a whole range of imperfection and deduction anyone can argue on that level and say anything. But what I'm s what I want to know are the facts.

1:38:58Facts are there. But you can accept the facts as dharma presents them or as the Vedas present them or as anyone presents them. These are all uh controlled by the uh force of nature.

1:39:08For example, we do not find evidence, uh the scientific evidence about about um seven hundred or eight hundred years ago; that does not make it always subject to the course of measures of maybe just change during the era, or I mean, if it's changed to the soil of the earth, then we cannot find any evidence.

1:39:25So all by technique, non-technique. But that does not mean that it didn't. If I am a Darwinist, I'm still not convinced.

1:39:43Because you still haven't proven to me that the layers of earth that are far, far below are not millions of years old.

1:39:55You say that they may be newly formed, but also you haven't proven that they are millions of years old.

1:40:01Well, I'm not a geologist; my simple challenge is that you cannot give history of human society more than three thousand years; how you speak of millions of years? That is my challenge. Written history.

1:40:18No, suppose a child says that millions of years ago it happened like this. But I say, "Child, you were born three years ago; how will you speak of millions of years?" That is my challenge.

1:40:36I don't know how geologists lay earth layers. They lack. But even if, let's say, they're not, let's say the deepest layer is only five hundred years old, but still the ones on top are newer.

1:40:52So in the lowest layer there's no such cities like that, there's no, rather believe the Bhagavad-gītā, who gives the description of one twelve-hour duration of life, millions of years. So we can believe that.

1:41:25Just like when you're dreaming, you may think it's millions of years and it's only five minutes. You wake up and you've only been asleep five minutes. Even though it seemed like long.

1:41:43Actually, modern science everyone speaks, which is relative knowledge. It is not perfect. Everyone speaks to his relative, there's no absolute. Actually, there's one.

1:42:07Therefore, we should accept knowledge from a person who is not within this relative.

1:42:13There's also some scientific evidence that where there is land now, it was once water, and where there is water now, it was once land; that the oceans reverse. Yeah.

1:42:25So it's quite possible that if there were great civilizations existing, that their remains are swallowed, there's no trace. That is every day you see.

1:42:38One day we walk on the beaches and the next we go, it is covered in water. And that is not very difficult to understand.

1:42:50But so when the cover with water pulses and you cannot experiment, how you can say what is there within? But there's still one has done bond within the sea and layer study? The bottom of the sea? Yeah.

1:43:08Where it has come up into land, where it has become land. And you find that there are seashells, sea animals. No, I'm going to say that, but there is already sea.

1:43:25Has you gone down the sea and exploited the level of the sea? That you do not know. That you do not know. That he knows. Because we cannot accept that. Nobody has said that they have excavated down the bottom of the sea.

1:43:51But you also say that bottom may be open at one sometime. So unless it is open, your experiment is in something.

1:44:02And even if you were to grant that, alright, that there was that the first life forms on this planet were simple one-cell life, that doesn't mean that the more complex life didn't begin before on other planets.

1:44:14The theory is not aborted. It may just be not, you could discount the possibility of the whole thing. that is Dr. Frog's understanding. It comes to this conclusion. Dr. Frog's understanding.

1:44:32He has studied the three-feet-wide well and he says he is satisfied with that. He has nothing to do with the Atlantic Ocean. But Atlantic Ocean is also a reservoir of water and that well is also a reservoir of water.

1:44:53So we take knowledge who has created the Atlantic Ocean. That real knowledge is, but it's I just want to try to cover this from every angle Darwinists will not be able to argue.

1:45:20I'd like to maybe tomorrow, today sometime I want to find out how they date earth layers, how geologists find. No geologists have given, it may be millions of years ago they say, like they

1:45:42estimate, they estimate, they estimate, but there must be some basis for their estimation. They don't even agree amongst one another. They are, I attended college with scientists and they argue amongst one another.

1:45:53They don't agree on their own scientific evidence. But at least they all agree that there is several million years old, many millions of years old at least. No, not necessarily. Applies to see in two hundred million years.

1:46:06It's as an assembly of pools, you can get all the pools to agree on the same thing. Doesn't make any more distinction. Well, uh I don't know, I still have a how they find that we still have to high out some meet it.

1:46:37Our real problem is birth, death; all these scientists, they could not solve any uh anyway of these problems, neither they could answer. Many darśana-śāstra have died. They could not stop death.

1:47:03Katha chatudhanana manimari jal. Tomorrow we can discuss the how ethical evolution, how ethics evolved, that's also part of this doctrine. Ethic morality. How morality is also a product of evolution.

1:47:29We change morality within six months. Mostly moral man, we can make the most moral man within six months. This is practical happening. It also helps the fittest to survive. Yeah. That's what I mean.

1:47:51If you become moral, if you become fittest to survive, that's his also his theory in the time. So that we can do within six months.

1:48:04He says that at some point a man who had uh developed sympathy for others, he was able to survive because he would cooperate with them to survive when others were killing each other like that.

1:48:20So gradually their morality also evolved. Tomorrow maybe we should finish. Animal is pulled uh in such a atmosphere. He adjusts. But there are different types of animals. Just like we see while walking. Severe poor.

1:48:55We try to adjust by covering. The other bird, the skylark, this one, they do not adjust. But his his his finding is that uh new types of species will uh come out which will be better adapted.

1:49:14The swans, if it becomes too cold, they will die. They're better they're better than us. Than you and me.

1:49:24What what the theory is called by is that for example if there are many many swans living in one place, those who cannot adjust will be distinct after many many years.

1:49:38And those who can adjust will live. In effect, what he uh tried to prove was that Krishna's law, nature's law, is perfect. But he was missing what was Krishna, what was missing Krishna.

1:49:59In other words, what he proved is very scientific, but it is lacking one. That's right. Therefore the value remains zero. We couldn't find the one. So that the value of the zeros we at once increases.

1:50:22But there are some great scientists like Newton who studied many, many, many years and made many, many theories and then they gave it all up and they realized that they can't go further.

1:50:42Newton at a very early age, like forty-three I think, went to the monastery. We discussed Newton last week. Yeah. Long in Africa. No, he was Englishman. No, but in Africa we discussed his philosophy.

1:51:11He died at the age of eighty-four. His picture is there in Westminster Abbey. Yeah, his tomb, his tomb. Huh? His burial grave. Graveyard and museum. People go to see, tourists. I think it costs 16 shillings for us to see.

1:51:56Remember we saw the kings over there. So they're making some round. Yes, for some period, Elizabeth to Queen Victoria, English nation advanced in so many ways.

1:52:24And they wanted to record it that they are the greatest nation in the world. But the basic principle was how to get money from outside in London. That was the basic thing.

1:52:55By advertising, actually by nature they are very impoverished. They have no such, no food in it by nature. And they wanted to be the greatest nation. When by nature they are not very much revived.

1:53:25Now they are coming again to the lap of nature. Darwin's theory about that would be that because their environment was not very suitable for farming or mining, no natural resources.

1:53:50Therefore their brains developed and they were able to survive. That we accept. That we have to adjust things according to circumstances. That is acceptable. But finally, God does not approve of it. He doesn't.

1:54:28Pratividhiḥ, pratividhikam... tāvac ca tan-vapur idaṁ tad-avekṣamāṇaḥ. ratridhi we make counter activities for adjusting things.

1:54:54But unless it is approved by the Supreme Lord, that adjustment also will not be very much helpful. Bālasya neha pitaraū nṛsiṁha... It's like a small child; the nature's way, the parent has got affection to take care.

1:55:30At that time, if the parents do not take care, the child cannot live. But the parents taking care is not all.

1:55:50If the child is condemned by the Supreme Lord, in spite of the parents taking care, it will not be happy or it will not exist. Parents' care is natural. Generally it so happens by the parents' care the child is happy.

1:56:16But in spite of parent's care, the child is unhonored. Then we have to go to the Lord. Is it not? Yes, when a man is diseased, the counteraction is physician, medicine.

1:56:44Generally, it is expected by attendance, some good physician and using good medicine, that the patient becomes cured. But it is also seen that in spite of all careful attention, scientific medicine, it dies.

1:57:06Then what is that? Well, Darwin would say he's not able, he wasn't well enough equipped to survive. Darwin would say that he was not equipped, he was not suitable to survive. That is the deficiency.

1:57:37That will not be away; if Krishna doesn't wish you to survive, that means he will not be able to counteract with all the, counteract, yeah. In other words, nature's arrangements you're saying is Krishna's arrangements.

1:58:02Yes. In other words, when Krishna wishes something, it happens in a natural way. Not in an unnatural way, but in a natural way. But it's in Krishna's design. Yes. This is also just like a child is protected by the parent.

1:58:30That is also natural. But in spite of his taking care, the child dies, suffers. That is also natural. It's like some children are born with blood disease or some incurable disease.

1:58:51Their parents take all care, but they still have to die, yeah. So then it is to be understood that different natural laws are working, and they are working under one control. And that is God.

1:59:23Just like we are taking so many solutions from this electricity current. But all these electricity currents are working under one leader in the powerhouse, the resident engineer.

1:59:50From him, the original electricity current is coming, is generating. And we are utilizing the same current in different varieties of purposes.

2:00:09So then there's like electric current; the same electric current working in this machine in a way, another machine, another way. It may be contradiction. But the power is the same.

2:00:30But according to the machine—the same example—one machine is cooler, one machine is heater. Although the current is the same: parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate, svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca.

2:01:10Everywhere God's energy is working. As in nature. Just like a tiger's body and a deer's body: the tiger kills the deer, but the same current is working in both. One survives, one is not survived. Nobody decides that.

2:01:47And this is called karma. This is activity. And the body is the field of activity. You are given license to act with this body for some time. That's all. No question of survival. Nobody is survival. You can act for some time.

2:02:13By survival he means species. Species will survive. Many species, nobody in survival. That is also false theory. Well, just like, uh, horses.

2:02:32Horses, they have found in the fossils millions of years ago, they say horses, and they're there. They say millions of years ago horses were there in slightly different form, but still there were horses.

2:02:49But defined forms, they are just like human beings. Formerly they are very tall. And they're reducing their stature, and at the end of Kali-yuga they will be stretched like this. So this is not change of the species.

2:03:16This is changing. Just like your father is taller than you. Is he not? Is he not taller? No, I'm taller than he is, but it could be they say because our generation got better foodstuffs than our parents.

2:03:39The stature is different. It is not the species. They have human beings. But formerly, the human being was taller, stouter.

2:03:52Now they are reducing in strength, in stature, in memory, in duration of life, span of life, in mercy. Let it stand, let it not change our species. This changing of human science also will be a scientific thing.

2:04:18It will be scientifically because of our conditions, because of our state of consciousness and because of the conditions that we have to condition changing. And we will be changing.

2:04:31And this change we research, they found that atomic particles, uh, vibrate at a certain frequency, a certain rate of vibration, and that elements such as lead, iron, all the different chemical elements disintegrate uh, gradually; the atomic particles vibrate out of the element and change the structure of the element gradually.

2:05:03And this is a constant, what they call life of the element. It has a constant number of years before it disintegrates into some other element. So this life they've measured, and they have, uh, a table or a chart.

2:05:19And by this half-life formula, they can determine how old a rock is by how the isotopes are, how quickly the isotopes are disintegrating from it.

2:05:34So according to their calculation, the layers of the earth were down for many millions of years. And in those lower layers, millions of years old, there is either no form of life or very very simple form of life only.

2:05:54No evidence of any complex forms. All of the maybe we put that.

2:06:03The age of the rocks can be aged by determining by technique and find how old the rock actually is, and how we created I asked yesterday some partner, Professor Rowland, and talking that whole age,

2:06:25the such and set example the rocks coming from the moon brought by astronauts.

2:06:29We calculate that by this radiometric technique and find that they are about three to fourteen billion years old, these rocks from the moon sample. And but that does not give the age of the the real age of the earth.

2:06:46Call me that day. What we call the age means how long that crystal, for example, they try to find out the crystals like rubidium and strontium crystals.

2:06:58In fact, the technique they can the method that they use is strontium-rubidium technique.

2:07:05And so we told me that this is three about three billion years old means that crystal containing that rubidium metal has crystallized for that long year. We don't know how long that rock is, at least three billion.

2:07:30Yes, at least older. Yes, maybe older. But that's not easy to get, we do not know.

2:07:37But the point is that they have determined that there are rock structures in the earth, very, very old, and that these contain no evidence of any complex forms of life.

2:07:51But if there's a statement that there were higher forms of life millions of years ago existing on this planet, there is no evidence ever found of that.

2:08:03So why are they trying to find out evidence from the rock, not on any other source? Well, as civilizations come and go, they leave remains of evidence behind of their existence. That one.

2:08:21Well, if people come, they're not... It's like my great-great-great-grandfather was living. Same as descendant. So where is he? Where is he? You want to see him? No, I want to find his remains. You want to see him?

2:08:42No, but he must have left some remains. Now, with any man... How is this in there? He made no tools or he had no house, but who said he said? He said it was because, uh, "My... for I can make tools." "I got tools."

2:09:01Uh, that's it. My grandfather, uh, what is there making tools? No, but why weren't there any tools left behind for us to find remnants? Huh? Why no remains of tools or other evidence of other men?

2:09:16Oh, what is the use of tools? The tools are used by the carpenter. But we are not carpenters. But if there were high forms of men living, carrying on the carpenter, they must have built up. They must have lived in cities.

2:09:33They did not require any tools. They didn't live, they require no houses? No. Even they require the coal sometimes, printer. Yes. They did it.

2:09:43But my point is that there, uh, there, because there is no tool, that would, there is no tool. Well, tools, not meant houses or anything that men have to use. Yeah.

2:09:52There should be some remains left behind when there are civilizations. What... what is remnant? Remnant means that, like the coal. That is the remnant. Coal. Yeah. Coal is the remains of trees, yes. Is it the remnant?

2:10:10That means there is some evidence that there were, if we look in coal beds, we find remains of trees that were very simple, no complex forms of trees. Now trees are much more complex. Complex, that simply doesn't matter.

2:10:23They are trees. No, actually the home doesn't say whether the tree doesn't work or not.

2:10:31No, but they, they find the impressions and, uh, leaves and, uh, the carboniferous they find the, the main trees, plants, twigs, all very simple forms like, uh, remember the today we can say intelligence, not the tools and force, how the intelligent require very information by the subject of highly telling us.

2:11:03So that is our evidence. The evidence which is written and spoken and that is coming by śruti by hearing. Nārada heard from Brahmā millions and millions and millions of... According

2:11:27to our calculation, Brahmā's calculation is not a It is now so many millions of years pass. Still, it is not even Brahmā's one day. So many because in Brahmā's one day 72... uh, 14 Manus come and go.

2:12:03And each Manu's age is 72 millenniums. One millennium means forty-three hundred thousand years. So such 72 millenniums compose one Manu's life, and there are 14 Manus in a day of Brahmā.

2:12:32So the millions and millions and millions are here, but it's not very astonishing to hear. Because it is not in your one day, Brahmā.

2:12:47That Brahmā he was born and it Vedic philosophy is still existing from the day of Brahmā's birth. Brahmā was first educated by God. That is our culture. So we get in the Vedas such intelligent information.

2:13:10Therefore, we understand that our forefather was very, for instance the Sanskrit language, yes, and so everything. Wonderful. No, we are not adventurous, but we have to find out. We have gravity.

2:13:28So if the earth is so old, for instance, it could have undergone many transformations. Yeah. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. After one day of Brahmā, where it goes, this.

2:13:44So Brahmā lived for 100 years according to his calculation. So each day there is diversity. So many diversities pass in one month, or then such 12 months makes one year, and such hundred years will be.

2:14:06So there is no calculation of diversity. How many diversities? In Brahmā's one day it is calculated 5,400 Manus are born. In one month. So our calculation is like that.

2:14:29We are not very much amazed of hearing millions and trillions.

2:14:37And how I was... pretty good by evidence and evidence of the even, though, uh, several million years ago they find no evidence in the name that. That is their impact now.

2:14:54That's our, uh, so-called modern, uh, scientific, uh, discovery. knowledge is always imperfect. It's no, uh, based on complete, uh, proof. It's always, it always tends to have some objectionable, uh, size.

2:15:11So it's not perfect at all.

Universal laws and divine intelligence

2:15:13Just like, uh, from, uh, two butart's book on the in learning to other planets.

2:15:19Chiro Kopart comes on the discovery of the antiproton by the scientist broken all this in 1959 and Robert, uh, uh gives, uh, all the information from, uh, uh, how you think, how... it's data. They say antiproton, they just discovered antiproton, but they still think it is some, uh, matter.

2:15:45They're not, uh, uh, they say antiproton, but still they think that is, uh, uh, anything with matter. But Robert says that it's not matter, it is, uh, speed. And yeah, the differentiation between matter and antimatter.

2:15:59Matter is material thing, antimatter is speed or zero.

2:16:03So the word comments, uh, so nicely about the, uh, so-called modern scientist to do further research on, uh, uh, this, uh, concept of antimatter; perhaps they'll come to an understanding of the spirit and they, uh, come to a point.

2:16:31Because the instrument by which we acquire knowledge is very important. So by our so-called research, sensual acceptance of knowledge. there's limitations.

2:16:48Can I be? It's like they say that the the rate of disintegration of the atomic particles of an element is constant, but it may not be constant. Perhaps earlier times it was faster or slower. Yes.

2:17:03There's so many possibilities.

2:17:10And developers who do not follow, uh, the system of ascending knowledge, we see from here, they are not, they cannot have any perfect knowledge like that research work with the blunt imperfections.

2:17:34So whatever they say, we take it as in being as my Krishna said that I, I enter into the universe. Viṣṭabhyāham idaṁ kṛtsnam ekāṁśena sthito jagat. Worthlessness of the planet.

2:18:06The scientists describe in so many ways that that's not really perfect. What is the cause of worthlessness? I understand. Because of the orbits of different orbits of the planets caught equivalent. Centripetal force.

2:18:33Planets go around the sun, they speed they go at such a speed that there's no uh mass. So that uh rules set on the speed, and the speed is new. That is not explained. But we have got our explanation.

2:18:52Krishna says, that I enter into each and every anywhere and I give them shortly. That is understandable. Because we have in our childhood we used to fly, keep our balloon, by forcing it into it something. Camphor smoke.

2:19:27We did in our time.

2:19:29Such a big uh paper balloon and they will take camp for so much and stucco and burn it and camp is blue is producing too much uh it's called black smoke and smoke and it becomes filled with smoke with the so

2:19:53if the camphor smoke enters into the paper balloon, it can fly. God cannot fly all the universe by interest. Another example is uh God is uh strong moon and sometimes

2:20:13they are they called uh the transition from the earth's uh gravitational force and the uh moon's gravitational force there is a layer the transition in from one to another is very critical and so they said that uh uh when the uh uh these uh rockets or these uh allowed instruments either go up or go down, they have to go with certain angles, very specific.

2:20:42The angle is slightly changed. So they'll be either circling the moon or either they will be circulating the earth. You'll you'll never be able to come down or uh go up but it'll be floating like uh uh it's no control.

2:21:00Without any control. Because with the two gravitational fields meet there's a certain uh force if you don't pass through their angle then you caught in it. They're not going right in the angle.

2:21:12They put down just to go to it's coming down, so it has to go down forty-five degree angles, planting it has to go forty-five degree angles. But it seems by mistake, say 47 degree angles, then it will never come down.

2:21:24It will just be floating. So in every state we are dependent on the laws of nature and still we are declaring we are free uh

2:21:45of uh any control we are making our own uh conviction and theory we're always saying conquer nature. They are conquest over nature. Where is the conquest of nature? Now he being mistaken of two degrees.

2:22:03We have to go around forever. What do you do? Bhikkha, the exact word used in this connection in the Bhagavad-gītā. And these people talk all nonsense. Bhīṣma. And then the influence of illusion. They are becoming male.

2:22:54I I I didn't know we were going to have a class today, but uh uh for the next class I wanted to read that article about heredity genetics how they think that they might be able to reproduce life in the future.

2:23:10Again in future I have that article I want to read it and study it first. I want to prepare for the future, any fool can say future, I tell you. And what do you define between scientists and the fool?

2:23:24That's not future. See, Darwin is the one who introduced this whole concept that we are evolving towards something better. And that that we have said form of life.

2:23:38Now we can go and make our position look at either we go and for when we have a granary system or we go to women.

2:23:48So in in terms of species actually living on this planet. He thinks that we have come up from apes, now we may go up to higher forms of life and species. That is our living planet. Apes are already there.

2:24:02And you are also there. The idea is that if they can sufficiently understand this process of evolution and how it's operating, it's principled, then they can control it. They can manipulate it, their own ends.

2:24:16They can produce their own they can produce a eternal superhuman being. They know all the people. They had a they had a big meeting recently in Europe of former scientists, chemists, and physicists and researchers.

2:24:34And they predicted that by the year two thousand and fifty the scientists will be able to make a superhuman eternal human being. But then they then they started asking themselves, well who will decide? Who will play God?

2:24:48If we can make an eternal person or uh manipulate that who will decide who where do they make Hitlers? What if they make how many Hitlers? Some uh demoniac scientist who knows how to do this makes a hundred Hitlers.

2:25:01So even if they the whole thing is a ponderation, they'll misuse it whatever power they acquire by understanding the logic. Yeah, Yeah, things we're doing is what you might mean. Many. The genetic Xerox machine.

2:25:23So they can analyze someone's genes, so they take my genes and analyze their chemical structure.

2:25:30They can reproduce that structure and make a hundred bees; it's like we have the same brain, the same body, the same internality, everything. But who made you?

2:25:42It's like I have a reason why you can make other copies; I I have a little bit of it. There are maybe hundreds of copies of your personality. But who may be... I don't know, I think the theory about the genetic code...

2:26:03Example, certain persons thinking about material people, some people are more intelligent than others, like scientists and science, The human brain and our expression is that from previous life it is wanted. That is done.

2:26:30He's bumped into it. So Darwin said that also, that one's superior traits are passed on to his children like that. And then the superior traits survive over the inferior traits. So where do you go? To China?

2:26:50Well, I just, he disintegrates into matter. Well, material is, there's no spirit. It's a combination of material elements, the elements. Then why are you bothering your head when I speak? He's concerned in a social way.

2:27:14In the beginning you are in the matter. By evolution you have come; again you are going to be matter. So I don't bother in the middle. But you were matter.

2:27:27In the beginning you were matter, and then at the end you're going to be matter. He's concerned that society can be made better by the society. So why do you concern the society? You are going to be matter.

2:27:40It may be bigger and more like a sense. He had a vague idea that societies, the species would evolve towards something better. They wanted to help evolution.

2:27:55But not that Mr. Darwin's full theory that he is going to be matter. Here is in any space, but another species of life, another form of life. That another form of life we decide.

2:28:18Darwin passed on his traits to his son, Charles Darwin. His son's great contribution to the world was that the moon is moving away from the earth at the rate of five inches per year.

2:28:33So what good is that? Now is, uh, what, uh, what may it give anybody? It's maybe ten inches if I went to any... last time can say anything, or what is the contribution?

2:28:57That's like modern-day art, just next brass like this and a good answer. Relative, relative values. Relative value. Now you imagine that is that. So there's no absolute scale and value in the material.

2:29:25And this cannot make this mean for, uh, there's, there's the point that the genes of these human beings is already there. there. Whom we call daily God: Nanda Mahārāja, Viṣṇu, Mahārāja, Hanumān, sādhana-bhakti, Hanumān.

2:29:46Already there, or he met. Let Him make one, and Paramātmā. We have not been able to create even an ant. So how do you dare to say super-human?

2:30:07According to modern information, man now is living longer, he's more healthy and more well off than ever before. I have said my grandmother was 96 years. But I don't exercise, I'm 26 years.

2:30:34My father lived more than 80 years. No, many. Span of life is decreased. Decreasing means they're not getting proper food for proper bodily comfort, but for decreasing.

2:31:04Their statistics are so open to error, there's no way they can... they take statistics, but there's no statistics going back very far, so there's no way that they can really say that for sure. They grapple the population.

2:31:20Everyone believes now, "I'm living longer and I have more chances to live a healthy life than ever before." I think this is what this logic society gives them. Yeah, chance to do it. Where is the medicine? It stops disease.

2:31:37You have discovered medicine, and very new diseases are coming up. So where is the stopping? That's what's supposed to come, that's the promise, and And instead that is defunct. And more wars.

2:31:56So, uh, President Nixon, uh, has, uh, uh, made a promise that, uh, in, uh, very shortly this, uh, cancer disease will, should be cured.

2:32:05So he has a lot of, a lot of money for coming few years, and he has given to all scientists, scientific firms. They say they stop, uh, this, uh, death from cancer.

2:32:18The moment you suppose he stops death from cancer, can he stop death at all? Not at all. Really? If, if Darwin's theory is correct, some new form of cancer will evolve which will survive, like any disease really working.

2:32:37You can't take the disease. You cannot stop back to death, all you will ever. So actually waste our time for that purpose. We are utilizing our time. But after giving up this body, we may go back to home after.

2:33:02But everyone has to give up this body. Mr. Darwin and his company will give up this body like cats and dogs. Now, we shall give up this body or have any vision of life?

2:33:23Is, uh, is a corollary to his, uh, theory of evolution that our standards of morality have also evolved from primitive stages.

2:33:37For instance, in a group, within a group of ape-like creatures who were normally fighting with each other for dominance, one may develop the quality of sympathy with someone else.

2:33:48So by that sympathy, he cooperates with the other person, and together they survive when the others die.

2:33:55So that, that evolution of sympathy, morality, love, compassion, good, the good qualities of human beings have evolved due to, uh, necessity, evolution, survival of the fittest.

2:34:10The thing is, this whole, uh, perspective of the evolution, we under the... It doesn't have to be a sequence of one came before the other; they all were there. Yeah.

2:34:20Just like you take up a, a ray of the sunshine, it's in this room. It's coming from the sun. But simultaneously it's occurring with the sun. It's not that there's a sequential evolution of the particle.

2:34:32If the sunshine is simultaneously... Sun's time, time takes eight minutes to reach that light. Sunshine, we get to that time. According to the sunshine.

2:34:45The morning sunshine is called 6:00 AM, then 7:00 AM, 8:00 AM, and 5:00 AM sunshine, but this 6:00 AM sunshine is somewhere permanent. Although here it is 8:00 AM. It's a relative nature. So the consciousness is existing.

2:35:11All of it is the same. It is relatively understood by other. Otherwise, some is picture sign in the other. The speed of light is constant, also the same. Let's say it takes the sun. Maybe, maybe too, I mean, yeah.

2:35:38Because it takes the sunlight, one particle of sunlight, eight minutes to travel from the sun to here. Like, maybe. But it's constant, but it's not a constant number. There's a lot of, yeah, slow down the... the sunshine.

2:36:06It's all as it is, called sun-kala. It's like heat, and fast with heat is other according to observation, or beginning, or an end, or an evolution.

2:36:33You say our written history goes back three thousand years; if we look back within that span, according to Darwin, our levels of consciousness are getting increasingly higher. But no, we said what?

2:36:54They're basing their quality, or what is a better level of consciousness, and what is more technical centrality. Technical advances. Scientific. Actually, morality

2:37:08hasn't—the ancient Greeks had a much higher standard of morality than the British now. Yeah. I'll say we see every day, every morning. So we are taking our time. There are no culture or received.

2:37:36I tell you, one is that my father has been blocked. So, suppose he has done my customer. He wants someone. So I am not stopped all of this thing. But I wrote down it all.

2:37:51That you are market broker, I say, just get these things immediately for anymore. You go to the particular person who has got to stop and you order me that 'to my shop, such and such, you send me'.

2:38:09So you have ordered for, say, 20, 50 minutes. So they are men are coming with a load of cloth. And he simply asks the firms now, 'Is this Radha and Raman?' And some of the class, yes, yes. No one.

2:38:33He simply asks whether this shop is Radha's. And somebody else, yes, yes. So he dropped his mantra. It may be five hundred or a thousand rupees, which was more than sufficient. in many, uh, crores of rupees.

2:38:58Because I require some, now you are my broker. You come, you see the stack of cloth, you ask my clerk, "Just get it from such and such."

2:39:16That farmer sent it without any voucher, without any air, and the potash, simply asked whether this is the same farm and somebody not. But you come, you pick up so many bundles.

2:39:33This note down, this has come from sat-sanga. You know that. Then my clerk notes. This is done. And out of many, say one, you find that he did not allow.

2:39:56So he said, "Three days after, one unknown one comes, that on such and such date I dropped a one-week here, which did not belong to you." So please. Oh, you see, there are someone in love.

2:40:18And if he picks it, I said, "This is my life." Like this. You are his unknown man.

2:40:25Simply he comes and says that, "I dropped one bundle here because it does not belong to you, by mistake," I say, "There is so much money, you can take." This was standard.

2:40:44Then at the due payment day, those who supplied the flour come to take them. And they sat on śānta, śānta, śānta. No mountain, nothing. I open my book. Yes. Yes. That's right. So he said, "This is the much money to be paid."

2:41:13So he calculates, yes. So he pays the money, and then when taking the money, he puts a stamp and signs on the book.

2:41:25Now in the meantime, so many transactions we see, how much faithfully it was going to... to become how much we have now been. We supply something to somebody.

2:41:42We take three copies of how he takes, one he keeps one he gives, and one he...

2:41:50Then also you try to cheat us so much; morally we are in two, uh, and speaking, say, within, uh, can say, and now sent to say, I made it 14, 15 years old, that kind of 50 years ago, this means for doing it.

2:42:12Sixty years ago the business given was so easy and less. So so to become increasingly complex now we have computers all doesn't necessarily mean that we're becoming more and more superior. No. No.

2:42:29We're becoming more inferior. There is no necessity no machine. So even though there may be an evolution from simple to more complex, there's no evolution that's not in groom— From inferior to superior. No.

2:42:46There's still human society has become very complex. I don't trust you, you don't trust me. I think my dogs with a women are coming to my family. You are a dog. I mean, you have to have them five. So what do you do?

2:43:07Yeah, actually the same thing they're going. We get from our sastra. But even if we receive your enemy at all, we receive you so friendly that we forget that you are an enemy. Gṛhastha,

2:43:23of the poor He should feel himself so confident that he is not yet he's any morality is that whatever you may, you come to my house, you are my guest. So I must offer you all kinds of hospitality.

2:43:44Never mind you are my enemy. Now you are my guest. How much ethical include this society? Yes, we have an enemy. Oh, in a fight, it's a fight to have an enemy. But now you have come to my home.

2:44:01You are my guest. That was being done while I tried. In in the ancient times, in the end, it's all man, Cro-Magnon man. They're always uh saying that these people were killers and hunters. They had to kill and die. Yeah.

2:44:23But there's no there's no difference uh between those cavemen and the men today were still killing, we're still hunting, still fighting, same thing. No. Suppose there's a guy they just passed, and spectacular...

2:44:38We disappeared, double kill. Say two thousand years ago in the Western countries, the men were killers. But we see Bhagavad-gītā, five thousand years.

2:44:57Krishna is... Arjuna, they eat, our women become widow, then they will be polluted, there will be varṇa-saṅkara children. It is a question of please. It is a question of pleasure.

2:45:18Darwin said here... in the Bible, it is said that thou shalt not kill. That means 2,000 years ago they have sins. That does not mean 5,000 years ago there are no high-elevated personalities. That is, he is lack of study.

2:45:41He is too much localized. He has no broader knowledge, neither he has carried all the books, content very poor. He is poor pandemic. He is very poor inside.

2:46:00But it is still... there are many Americans, not few Americans, completely different from others. We cannot say that only Americans have drunk or some responsible. Therefore, they are also side by side. Mahārāja is to do.

2:46:24You don't drink, don't take meat. You have all God concept. Side by side, maybe. How you can write history? Then 7972. They may find three or four bodies, even finding one they cannot conclude. Yeah, right. That's all.

2:46:50They can't find, they can't tell from three or four samples when they're reasonable.

2:46:58Like if they... if five thousand years from now, some archaeologists came, and Los Angeles was all covered over, we know that they may dig up.

2:47:08They may dig up a monkey that was in a zoo, they may dig up a mayor of Los Angeles, they may dig up anyone.

2:47:37Actually, most of the men that they have dug up from ancient times were dumb hunters who died in some hunting accident anyway. They were a lower nature men. Yeah.

2:47:51But I still... I still am not clear why they have never found out any remains of cities or ancient civilizations that were actually... They have.

2:48:04There have been a number of archaeologists who made findings, like particularly one I can't remember his name, but he did an elaborate investigation on the Egyptian culture.

2:48:14And his thesis was that their culture was far more advanced than ours. They had mathematical techniques. That's right. He's unfortunate. He simply accepted a cave. I read about the paint in a cave.

2:48:32They don't know how it's still preserved. There's no chemical that they have today that will preserve paint so long. And so he's unfortunate. He could not find out that he hung out some monkeys.

2:48:47And the Egyptians had geometric techniques that they're not able to, they don't understand. They just discount them as a few. Yeah. Archaeology.

2:48:57So this one archaeologist, he wrote a book saying that this community in Egypt 3,000 years ago was far superior. No one accepted it. No one believed it.

2:49:08Even in Mexico there's so many far highly advanced Mexico is Indian city. The Rāmāyaṇa has to be studied. Yeah, we can make sabai. Straight through, straight through. And therefore Rāma had so much gold.

2:49:40He took it from his brother's kingdom. All one kingdom. One part was being managed by his brother and one by himself. And in the Rāmāyaṇa we say that the Rāmāyaṇa was taken to the suburb, to Hanumān's place.

2:50:03That means Rāmāyaṇa was taken to Brazil to Sutala. So now, he who can... uh, next... now that there is a way for five hundred why not five thousand eat possible to make some way up to Hanumān.

2:50:33They say that the center of the earth is molten fire. Fire. The center is fiery. It is liquid. If it's fire, insulated through that's hard. No, that... that... that... no, that portion may be avoided. Go around the crust. Yeah.

2:51:02Suppose I'm going somewhere down here is the fire column. Rats can do it. Snake can do. Not snake, next can I do it. Well, one that much company.

2:51:44But are scientists beginning to understand that back or is it still they they they never think about it? That's why why they are trying to uh find out anything.

2:51:54Because they think that when somebody tries to make a something medicinal from compound. They write so many ways and things. And sometimes when they are at a loss, when they say oh god, this in the compound."

2:52:14They touch so many ways. In making a compound sometimes they have to be about hundred or two hundred steps. And sometimes they will never get a compound.

2:52:21And ultimately when they're all disappointed and said that which helps me. The ordinary final conclusion is everybody failed on actually. And that is natural.

2:52:35Because after all God gives him intelligence, I stayed in his bhagurya. Bhaktasya nirjayena mapuhar, this from me, apona chan. He was forgetting that I was from God was not giving him a chance.

2:52:50And he prays to God, then God is trying all night to that is the statement in Bhagavad-gītā. But as soon as they get in compound, then you forget God Yeah. Yeah. Darwin did that.

2:53:05He's he made the uh the appearance and disappearance of of animals' bodies seem mechan so mechanically arranged that God was removed from the picture.

2:53:18It appeared as if combinations of ingredients created animals and they evolved from each other. They are not combined together. I am the cooker.

2:53:41I am cooking potato, oils and the spices, maybe dhal, and dahi, maybe water, and this is a nice food style spelling. So this combination means what. Otherwise, where is the initial step? The combination of taking place.

2:53:57I I I place all the ingredients in the kitchen room. And then after one hour I go, where is my food? In one sense, who is cooking your food? Staff. They take help of a living being.

2:54:18Then we cook and then this is our experience. So why does it say communism? Wherefore the communism comes? Well he's such a fool, he does not know how communism takes place.

2:54:31There are several theories in that book of theory of the origin of life. Where's that? Find where the original theory of life is. Yeah. Why did you get it as several theories how everything began. They're quite interesting.

2:54:51But how we see practically that material things, material elements, indeed. They cannot be combined of it. There must be a living entity who will combine. One of the theories is that everything comes out of energy.

2:55:10Can I do with somebody's energy? This man, I have to think here, and but... The energy is usually... energy has like a telex machine so somebody is putting the model energetic and then energy, image. Computer message.

2:55:35Message is doing nothing out of his own accord. Somebody is going and puts him both. Then it is the energy skill.

2:55:43Similarly, uh according to our Vedic knowledge, actually God we said, immediately the energy set up. Set into action. And then other things stop in other words.

2:56:01trend of the scientists is that by their scientific research and their limited success which they enjoy, they're becoming more and more convinced that there is no God. And they're saying everything is a physical law.

2:56:14No, that is the proof that they are saying there is no God. Because the actual God will draw, speaking power, will not be able to speak, there is no God. This book is called The Creation of the Universe. Oh yes.

2:56:35I just um he doesn't that agree about the creator? Oh no. The hierarchy of condensation. There's two theories.

2:56:55One is that everything was originally gas originally gas, and another one was is that everything was originally turbulence or energy. Now originally gas. Now so far we have got our experience.

2:57:13Gas is produced from some liquid. Is it not? They say that the liquid is produced from the gas. That is also anything, what was there in the beginning? That was meta.

2:57:38This says after the first complement of the atomic species had been formed during the first hour of expansion, nothing of particular interest happened for the next thirty million years. They have it all right.

2:57:57Making the man. They're saying that something came out of nothing. Originally there was nothing. In a point in history there was nothing. And then in a point in history something began.

2:58:09Well, see, there was a frozen equilibrium and a spontaneous breakup of primordial nuclear fluid. The original state of matter is assumed to be a hot nuclear gas.

2:58:24So, the thing is, whatever he is thinking that is the evidence of his word has to be accepted by you. Most people are just his word.

2:58:45Whatever his contemporary scientist means when he offers some words. So if words are actually accepted as true, why not accept the words of Krishna? Who can be greater authority than Krishna?

2:59:02If your word does not require any evidence, you are a renowned scientist, your words are sufficient, then the personality is Krishna, then why should we not accept his words?

2:59:13We do not know what it is that you are presenting in bombastic words and you have to accept your word. Is it not? So I will say that instead of accepting your word, why not accept Krishna? Is it a question?

2:59:40Someone will come along in a year or a few years and refute everything that this science said. There are three different theories. Each one different. They all start with an original situation of like a chunk.

2:59:55A hot, it was measured in billions of degrees of temperature. And out of that hot gas things condense. That's not starting from the beginning. It was called a frozen equilibrium.

3:00:14Well, there's an equilibrium as the same principle. Well, there's an equilibrium as the same principle. I think, what is it in the world?

3:00:27says whether the universe is finite or infinite. Or himself says, well, which are modern telescopic experiments

3:00:37again against something different. But beyond that is that maybe the universe is finite, that you know, for sure But beyond that is that maybe the universe is finite, that you know for sure the knowledge. knowledge.

3:00:57like. This is very like it. This is very like it. The round one? No, it's like this one? This part. Masters of the universe. So these are all based on the mathematical principles.

3:01:31Because they observed that the universe is expanding. So they're trying to figure out which shape it's expanding in. If Mahā-Viṣṇu breathes out, the universe expands. Yeah.

3:01:42And as Mahā-Viṣṇu breathes in, the universes contract. Because it can be shown that a closed Einsteinian universe can expand only to a certain limit beyond which the expansion will go over into contraction.

3:01:58They also agree that the universe expands and contracts. Expand means it was not in its initial state. That yeah, they say it was a hot gas. That seed there, hot gas. So the seed is so powerful that it has become an inward.

3:02:25So who made that seed? What is that? And from what it came, what is its seed? What is it through? What from the seed comes? So many questions.

3:02:45See, so-called modern education taught by people who have the ideas only of the same thought. The result is always led by people who are working like that.

3:02:59So that's what the Vedas say, that they are like the blind man who is leading the blind, so we don't accept it. Except blind man meaning that they say the empiric mind is just that we cannot accept revelation.

3:03:20If revelation isn't experimental to our limited knowledge or to our knowledge.

3:03:26So they want the scientist, the hardcore scientist, he doesn't want to listen to revelation or what he considers theoretical spiritual knowledge because he can't examine it or experiment with himself.

3:03:38Therefore he considers it a waste of time. If he can't see it or understand it with his mind, he doesn't think that it has any bearing or any importance.

3:03:56The scientific brain means ultimately becoming a fool to talk all nonsense. Once he recognizes science, he can talk all nonsense. And it will be accepted as science too.

3:04:15They say that our planet, along with all of the other stars and bodies in this universe, are about five billion years old, calculated in several ways.

3:04:28One of the ways they calculated the age of our oceans, five billion, and the age of our oldest rocks, along with the way that the stars are distributing themselves, they must be five billion years old.

3:05:27You know, the theory of anthropology has never agreed to accept that the Vedic eternity. Long, long, yeah. But this individual and philosophers are theological. Their

3:05:58theory has been also dismantled by the discovery of this Ajanta cave. From that cave, they are very, very intelligent. As they are excavating other parts, they are simply studying the bones.

3:06:18But then on the other side also, this is also very intelligent person. I read about a column near Delhi found made of some metal that has been there for many, many thousands of years.

3:06:37Many, many such things have been discovered. And we say that they are searching after dead bones and we are searching after living brains, for which we consider better.

3:07:03Now the Valmiki Ramayana, it was written at least eight hundred thousand years ago. Eight hundred times five thousand. Huh? Eight hundred times five thousand? No. Eight hundred thousand and eight hundred thousand.

3:07:33Eight hundred and fifty thousand years. Eight hundred thousand per year. And five thousand per year. Eight hundred and five thousand per year. Yeah.

3:07:47And now, long the living knowledge of the Brahman's truth, Written by Brahmās. Millions and millions of years ago. In all of our history, Western history, it never once referred to the Indian civilization.

3:08:06They don't refer to the Indian civilization. Because they will be depleted. They will be depleted. They never reveal it. That was British policy. Britishers want to—that is the cause of degradation of Indian culture.

3:08:26They manufacture such a Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa is a victim of that policy. They wanted to impress upon the Indians that before the arrival of the British, you are almost uncivil. We have made you civil.

3:08:50And these lustful leaders, they accepted. That was a policy. Because they are very intelligent, diplomatic. The Lord may call against them to equal keep them as they are. We'll never be able to.

3:09:11And later on also, when Gandhi started, they non-cooperated with disrespect. They were by force getting our cooperation and killing. The non-cooperative. Therefore, he started the non-cooperation movement.

3:09:27And C. L. Anand gave a diplomatic statement on India. He said that this is a very dangerous movement. Try to cut down this movement.

3:09:41Otherwise, if one percent of Indian people non-cooperate, it will not be possible for us to rule over this.

3:09:51So in order to get our cooperation, they're simply impressing that before the arrival of the British, the Indians were uncivilized. So many books they published. One American prostitute wrote Mother India. Yes.

3:10:15And simply blast money in Indian temples, culture, priests, like that. Remarked on that the drain in a spectrum strip. And he has simply put down the bad side.

3:10:35Sometimes this priest in the temple, they make some badly woman, he has she has good time. Now the better side. Practically till now no one except you has brought Indian culture out. No one has known that high culture.

3:11:04And all these swamis and yogis, they also less than they brought some lovers to a society. No, no philosophy, no. No philosophy, no culture. And we are touching now everything.

3:11:17Sociology, politics, religion, culture, philosophy, everything. Completely. Just like we are discussing now this in the Nanda Mahārāja kingdom. How nice.

3:11:31Today when we were when we were looking at the Sanskrit shlokas, I suddenly realized that they this very strict form of shloka made it easy to memorize the people. Oh yeah. Therefore there is... Yeah.

3:11:51And once it is memorized, you never follow it. Then you can pass it down. Yeah. And you don't have to write it. No. But that requires only memory. That was the system. Śruti.

3:12:01Once years from the spiritual mantra, it is memorized. For good. The memory was so sharp. And the memory was and the grammatical rules are so arranged to make it easy to memorize. Oh, natural, natural rhythm.

3:12:21It's not arbitrary. Whereas our Western poems are so many different lines, lengths, that is not standard rhythms. Okay.

3:12:34There's so many words to the first pronunciation, by second pronunciation, like there are different kinds of uh some. So it's meant for hearing and memorizing. You can it can sing us in like songs.

3:12:57Uh, in every chant, you should be one man says nice pronunciation, and in the sound of karatālas and his singing is going on. Yeah, that is the system in Indian culture. So it immediately vibrates.

3:13:40Do you suppose that the British supported Darwin so that that will also help their political ambition by introducing the idea that all the big men are born in their nation?

3:13:55All big scientists, all big philosophers, all big politicians, they have God selected us. Therefore they must rule over the world. And by putting out this book, The Origin of Species, they at once did away with God.

3:14:16After that, Nietzsche, another philosopher, he said God is dead. He made that statement first. Right after Darwin's book came out, God is dead. So we have to fight against all this nonsense.

3:14:33And boy, Svarūpa Dāmodara is going to move into the temple for a few days and each day we'll discuss a different scientific topic. Tomorrow genetics, something else. I guess he's a scientist. He'll talk technical words.

3:14:50He's gonna bring all of his books and uh I also studied science for many years, so by refresh you can really and if all the students become armed with these arguments they can defeat any scientists.

3:15:07Normally they're unable to answer science, it's it's difficult to answer science. But this part should be there, that he is dealing with dead bones. And we are dealing with living bread.

3:15:28Just like Bhagavad-gītā is so perfectly written. Yes. So perfectly to see. Not Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam... No. Everything, everything. Everything. Quran.

3:15:48They they they they are presented all these books as uh what is that illegal story. And so far as some and others are concerned, you can interpret it in your own way. If it is a fact, how you can interpret it.

3:16:11We are present as a fact And they and they present so many newspapers every day and say this is fact. This is lies, so many moments. And even that mental speculation is a big thing.

3:16:36I think he says the crowning achievement of speculative thought. Is it is the crowning achievement of speculative thought. Is there some sage who thought it up? No, what do you have? It is wrong to be contacting.

3:17:22And the Rāmāyaṇa of Vālmīki, as they may... And it was long, long, long years. It was written in the Purana. But it was current by tradition. Long long. So he has stolen this theory, this idea, Brahma Bhavakla.

3:17:57I'm just trying to prove we don't believe like that. Otherwise this evolutionary theory. As you can take on the child, lakṣaṇa, jīva, rāja-jīva, Brahman, etc. But Darwin doesn't have any conception of the jīva.

Genetics and the conscious operator

3:18:20He's another he sees only the bodies are changed. Anyone that is also mentioned. dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā. For a child, Child things are body. Bharak. Balaka means fool. Atma-magina.

3:18:47They will think that we want. They do not know what is my position. Mystery.

3:19:10There is a there is a a sign scientific uh subject which has be become very popular now called genetics, which uh has to do with the origins of life. Well this so-called scientific theory Again, something popular.

3:19:33These are not science. Science cannot be popular now and unpopular after some years. Well it's only because they just discovered it. Discover partial, that's like this one discovered.

3:19:54But what it means in essence is that they have analyzed the individual cell of the living entity, and they have found in each cell a set of genes, what are called genes. There's uh 46 of them in each cell.

3:20:11And these genes contain the blueprint for the whole body, it's like a blueprint, like a seed of a tree contains the whole tree.

3:20:22So it's possible they say by rearranging these genes or changing them slightly, that a new type of person can come out or a new type of living entity from the original. The jīva... someone is talking of the jīva as genes.

3:20:47The genes, the jīvas, they can have any nice type of body. Can man control it? Can a scientist control man?

3:21:05The type of gene, the culture body, the child we get with theory is not very theory is just that we give dimension on the soul.

3:21:17So that statement is given by some man Just like one ten thousand part of the chief of the year, we get information from the Quran. So this is this statement is also given by he not ordinary. Not ordinary.

3:21:42So any extraordinary. These these genes are not they're visible to the human through uh microscope, so they're not This is also visible when I say that uh one ten thousand part of the hair. It is visible.

3:22:03I don't know how I say. Yeah. But it may not be visible to you. Yeah. I mean these genes, they are not the same as the jīva. In this case, let it be anything. But jīva can be given any type of body. Let him not be that.

3:22:31They say that each person is different than every other person because the arrangement of the genes in his cell are uniquely his. But the same genes will be passed on; that depends on the father and the mother. Mm-hmm.

3:22:47The same genes will be passed on to their children, so they will have characteristics like their parents in that way. That is the body. Yeah.

3:22:58So they're considering that by altering these genes in certain ways, they can make very highly intelligent persons come out or very lowbred persons come out. That is what they did yet. What is their creative?

3:23:16They want to control more. They want to control more. What is the culture? If you're already there, it's not under your culture.

3:23:26It's like their idea is they can make Xerox copies of whatever type of personality that I have spotted sample is out of the depth. So what is it? Maybe only one very intelligent person, but by their method they think

3:23:48that they can create a whole society. Uh, I'll read you some of their predictions and they're very frightening.

3:23:58They say by nineteen eighty, that's eight years from now, that uh they will be able to create synthetic life in the form of artificial viruses which will be used to cure some forms of genetic diseases. Artificial life.

3:24:18They say in eight years they will have artificial life. And they've got to seven. Small viruses or living organisms, very small. But by the year two thousand, they say they will be able to

3:24:36keep, yeah, that's twenty some years from now, twenty-eight years from now.

3:24:43They say that they will be able to de-freeze embryos, that means unborn babies as insurance against nuclear holocaust and for interplanetary colonization.

3:24:55In other words, they can send these uh unborn babies in frozen form to other planets and have an arrangement for them to be born and grow in the spaceship and then go out. Don't waste the time.

3:25:13You'll have an artificial uh and mechanical baby factory, effective effective control of most human defects, uh single cell life will be created from chemicals off the shelf.

3:25:29They can make intelligent animals to do menial work. And then in uh seventy eight years they say that they will be able to uh regenerate or like they are Pan American were selling tickets or going to Chung.

3:25:52These are the—is it possible that man could ever make uh even one cell living being? Even meaning men, what is clear there? Cells are already there. What is the person are making?

3:26:09All they're doing is creating the conditions for the jīva to enter. Actually, I think, isn't it? No, whatever they are proposing, these things are already there.

3:26:18So even they can create something set up spot you, what is it creating? Well they then they'll have control over it. That's that's no no control. Because you are beginning from something on which you have no control.

3:26:35So where is your control? No and I'm the master, I can create more Einsteins. I can create many Einsteins. That's on their program too. That's on their problem. Postponement of death by at least fifty years. Also

3:27:04there they say they will be able to stop death. That is true. They say they will be able to take out someone like Einstein's brain when his body dies and keep it alive, a disembodied brain, and use it like a computer.

3:27:23No, no, all that fools. As if they are... and the brain there is a thing. What is this? What is it? Lump on that. Yeah. Just like they they can take a heart out of a living being and they put it in a machine and keep it alive.

3:27:47And then they transplant it to some other living other person. The same intelligence, the śakti, would be just trying to uh find out life in this lump of matter. Mm-hmm.

3:28:02Very is the spend so many billions of dollars years on work. The same example, the computer message, they do not find that the machine is made by a brain which is different from this thing.

3:28:24But he is trying to find out the brain from it. This is a child. The brain is different from the machine. Machine is a lump of iron. And the one who is working with the machine is different. Come on in. Maybe to know. Say this.

3:28:49Very different. And what is this computer machine will do unless there is a operator in the computer, highly salary man. Unless it's plugged into the wall, it doesn't work. Lump of matter and this one.

3:29:09But they are, they do not, they are so full of ignorance that they are trying to find out this is the same childish that I am trying to find out the singer within the box. Within the box.

3:29:35The proposals that they made here also are very strictly typed. It's not uh it's just a projection that uh can be made by their own. That's the mental stuff. They haven't even come near to these things yet. They never come.

3:29:54Mostly uh scientists at the beginning of trying to find out something.

3:29:59When they get some very basic preliminary ideas, they speculate so much thing that oh and then this so this and such kind I'll be able to make such things. Always always every scientist does like that.

3:30:12But ultimately the result is always at the end. Something on the way, something comes up. Then there it has changed. It has changed. The circumstances have changed.

3:30:28So the whole thing very very delicate, the substance that they're handling, the cells of the uh microorganisms are also subject to uh different uh uh changes without knowing anything.

3:30:41So but they are taking that things are just perfect, influencing. Based on that they are perfect, thinking that what they have done is infallible. So they feel like they well think, but they listen to never... it's

3:31:00our śāstra says these classes are manas, no matter... taj-jñānasya. Sarve. We take them like go. Go for thousands and jñāna. They may speculate. But we take them, you have no tech than assets and thousands.

3:31:33Some foods we give them baby. And that being is given by such a man. Dogs, hogs, cares, and asses. No, good man. Kṛṣṇa-prasādam will never give them any credit. But men like dogs, hogs, asses, and camels, we give them.

3:31:56Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ... So, puruṣaḥ paśuḥ, this class of man will be honored by dogs, hogs, camels, no, that Bhīṣma is there, you give them credit.

3:32:21No, Nārāyaṇa, you give them credit. Now that Kṛṣṇa, you give them credit, not all our Kṛṣṇa-bhaktas give them, because they have a vision to know what kind of man has got śāstra.

3:32:42And from this, understood one is accepting this body as this self, he is no better than cow and ass. That is our factor. He has not still found out that the worker of the machine is becoming.

3:33:08His body is just like a machine. Maybe composed of high-level, mechanical element, electronic parts, and everything. But after all it is a machine. And this machine must be worked by somebody. He must be living.

3:33:27He's not a machine. You can't create a machine that will act like a human. You can't create a machine that will act like a human? No, no, even if we can act, there's still it has to be worked.

3:33:45Unless it moves the button, it cannot work. Yeah, doesn't that fit that definition? Just like you say that computer machine, you said so many things and soon as you say that I want this, anyway.

3:34:08But you have to push the button. This machine is working when I push this plug into the electric. So they have a connection. That's all right. Even there, but ultimately the mechanic is able to work on the computer machine.

3:34:42But what about this artificially changing bodies before they are born, before they are growing? And that is also the same thing. But I mean, isn't that a demonic act? Isn't that a very demonic act? That is a consultation.

3:35:03Demonic, they must be. But this change... tell me, what if, Krishna, if by our karma we desire a certain type of body, but they create all the bodily bodies to be the same, how is that? Huh?

3:35:21But men are tampering with the bodies. What is the man? They are created. They're simply clear. Every entity will still have the same desire, though.

3:35:35That jīva will still have the previous desire for that previous body, won't you? If some scientists can change the genes so that the genus can have a different kind of body, it still had the previous design.

3:35:51No, that is not that. The world is given by superior arrangement to have this last constantly.

3:36:08And also, Prabhupāda, if in case, for example, some scientist makes a change, like if the scientist comes and cuts off my hand, that's also my karma. No way, he's not making a change.

3:36:21Everything that is happening is God's, even if it's not in my karma, I can cut—I become responsible for, in other words, if somebody comes and cuts my hand, yeah, he can do that. But he creates his own karma.

3:36:40But how about my karma? My karma doesn't make it happen. Your karma is that he also cut his hand, next hand. By the fact that my hand got cut this time, wasn't this due to something I did before?