Spreading Krishna Consciousness in Europe

0:00[questions and answers translated by Yogeśvara] [French] [chanting japa]

Spiritual practice and global preaching

0:13Bhagavān: He said for forty-five years now he has not eaten any meat, he has been vegetarian.

0:25Prabhupāda: Oh, you are forty-five percent advanced. Yes. Let them come forward. Oh, they are chanting. Very good.

1:01Bhagavān: Many young people. [aside:] I need you to translate; I'm not that good. [French] You speak Italian. You speak French? English? Habla español?

1:20Prabhupāda: Which language they speak?

1:21Devotee (1): Italian.

1:22Prabhupāda: Italian. Ah.

1:30Bhagavān: The Hare Kṛṣṇa, that is universal language. Everyone understands. You are from Rome?

1:50Guest: Yes.

1:51Bhagavān: We have a temple there.

1:51Guest: Yes, I know. Very good.

1:58Prabhupāda: Come on.

2:02Bhagavān: Umāpati is nicely editing these books also.

2:12Prabhupāda: Oh.

2:13Bhagavān: He is editing the philosophy, making sure everything is exact.

2:13Prabhupāda: You are doing good service. Now you have got good engagement.

2:16Umāpati: Everything is very nice here.

2:19Prabhupāda: Stay here. Where is your wife?

2:21Umāpati: She went to the farm, so I guess she just hasn't come back yet.

2:25Prabhupāda: Oh, she went to the farm?

2:27Umāpati: Yes.

2:28Bhagavān: And she is translating Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

2:31Prabhupāda: Oh.

2:32Bhagavān: She is helping to translate the Bhāgavatam.

2:35Prabhupāda: And Jyotirmayī?

2:37Bhagavān: She is doing the distribution of Bhagavad-gītās in stores, and she is meeting important people, getting... Whatever articles are written about us, she is answering the articles in the paper. Nice service.

3:07This Europe is a very good field for making devotees.

3:10Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.

3:14Bhagavān: You are Italian also?

3:16Woman: No.

3:20Bhagavān: From where?

3:20Woman: I'm from California.

3:22Woman (2): I am Narmadā's sister.

3:24Bhagavān: Oh, Narmadā's sister. It is Haihaya's wife's sister.

3:27Prabhupāda: Oh. So she is French? No.

3:37Bhagavān: No, American.

3:42Prabhupāda: And this boy? [French]

3:46Devotee (1): He's from Morocco.

3:53Prabhupāda: Morocco.

3:55Bhagavān: They speak French?

4:02Devotee (1): Yeah, they all speak French. [break]

4:13Bhagavān: ...that all over the world there are actually devotees of Kṛṣṇa and that they are just waiting for the saṅkīrtana parties to pick them up.

4:23Prabhupāda: Yes. [laughs] Nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti. Kṛṣṇa-bhakti is there in everywhere.

4:33Bhagavān: You have some questions?

4:53French devotee: Are you coming back in September?

4:56Prabhupāda: Huh?

4:56Bhagavān: The devotees want to know if you're coming back.

5:00Prabhupāda: Yes.

5:04Bhagavān: Many people are still talking about that engagement you had in that big hall last year. They're still talking about that engagement. It was very successful.

5:16Umāpati: Many devotees joined afterward.

5:20French devotee: In the street we still see pictures of this. [to guest]

6:02Bhagavān: You have read any books of ours?

6:04Woman: Parts of some.

6:10Devotee (2): Many people are very anxious for the French Bhagavad-gītā. We've already received many letters in the mail asking for copies of it.

6:17Umāpati: One advanced order for Bhagavad-gītā, eighty copies from a bookshop.

6:22Prabhupāda: Here?

6:23Umāpati: In Africa.

6:26Prabhupāda: You can advertise in paper here. You will get good orders.

6:44Bhagavān: They have said that this Aurobindo copy, this is almost out of print now.

6:49Umāpati: There is no edition of Bhagavad-gītā like your edition ever in France. This is the first time.

6:56Prabhupāda: Aurobindo is hodgepodge.

Approaching a bona fide spiritual master

7:03It is simply vocabulary. No concrete contribution. Simply words. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12In order to learn the science, one must go to the bona fide guru. Otherwise it is not possible.

7:44In the Bhagavad-gītā, find this verse: BG 4.34तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया ।उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्शिनः ॥३४॥"tad viddhi praṇipātenaparipraśnena sevayāupadekṣyanti te jñānaṁjñāninas tattva-darśinaḥJust try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

9:35French devotee: Chapter Four?

9:37Devotee (1): You should read the French. [French devotee reads Sanskrit and French translation]

9:44Prabhupāda: Purport. [devotee reads purport in French] [to devotee] You come here. Sit facing them. So if they have got any question about this? [translating comment from guest]

Universal spiritual unity and Vedic knowledge

10:21Yogeśvara: He said he would be happy if the spiritual master was speaking French, because Kṛṣṇa is only speaking French now.

10:32Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa speaks in all languages, and He speaks so perfectly that everyone thinks that He speaks only in his language. He could speak with the birds even.

10:58There is a Sanskrit word, babhudak. This means one who can speak all languages. So it is stated there in the Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, Nectar of Devotion, that on the bank of Yamunā He was one day talking with a bird.

11:41Every living being has got a different language. [translating from French guest]

12:00Yogeśvara: He says but they are a little bit jealous of the Americans who speak English, which is the language that you speak.

12:17Prabhupāda: The America is my fatherland. My motherland is in India, and America is my fatherland.

12:26Bhagavān: We are trying to make one country.

13:22Devotee (3): Śrīla Prabhupāda, when scientists and astrologers are looking into the heavens, sometimes they see what they say to be flying saucers, different flying objects, lights in the sky. Do we have any explanation for this?

13:44Prabhupāda: Everything is flying. All these planets, they are flying.

13:47Devotee (3): Sometimes they are zigzagging very fast across the sky [indistinct].

13:51Prabhupāda: Maybe there is. Why not? [to guests]

14:13Yogeśvara: This is a wonderful opportunity also if you'd like to ask any questions of Śrīla Prabhupāda. It's a rare opportunity that he's here, you can speak with him. [translates] [French]

Relationship between the soul and God

15:28Prabhupāda: You can read this verse, kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānam.

15:57Yogeśvara: Thirteenth chapter? Kṣetra... [japa]

16:44Prabhupāda: Go ahead, jñānam.

17:31Yogeśvara: Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi?

18:48Prabhupāda: Hmm.

19:04Yogeśvara: 13.3. BG 13.3क्षेत्रज्ञं चापि मां विद्धि सर्वक्षेत्रेषु भारत ।क्षेत्रक्षेत्रज्ञयोर्ज्ञानं यत्तज्ज्ञानं मतं मम ॥३॥kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhisarva-kṣetreṣu bhāratakṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānaṁyat taj jñānaṁ mataṁ mamaO scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its knower is called knowledge. That is My opinion.[reads translation and purport in French]

19:45Prabhupāda: Finished? Go on reading. [continues reading purport in French] Finished?

21:04Yogeśvara: I go on more? [finishes reading purport in French]

22:07Prabhupāda: So God is situated with me. I am also within this body, God is also within this body. Find out this verse = īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati.

23:11Devotee: 18.58?

23:21Yogeśvara: 18.61. BG 18.61ईश्वरः सर्वभूतानां हृद्देशेऽर्जुन तिष्ठति ।भ्रामयन्सर्वभूतानि यन्त्रारूढानि मायया ॥६१॥īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁhṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhatibhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāniyantrārūḍhāni māyayāThe Supreme Lord is situated in everyone’s heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.[reads translation in French]

24:14Prabhupāda: Purport. [reads purport in French] So the God, He is also with me always as friend. So one... It is said in the Upaniṣad, there are two birds in one tree. The two birds means I, individual soul, and God, the Supreme Soul.

26:02The individual soul is limited within this body, and God is everywhere = in every body, in every atomic particle, everywhere. Because I am individual soul, I can understand my bodily pains and pleasure.

26:36But I cannot understand your bodily pains and pleasure.

26:50But God, being all-pervading, He can understand my pains and pleasure, He can understand your pains and pleasure, He can understand cats' and dogs' pains and..., everyone. This is the difference between me and God.

27:19Sometimes they mistake. Because God is also within this body, I am also within this body, therefore they think that there is no other individual soul than God; therefore I am God. So if I am God, then you are also God.

27:54And if there is more than one God, there is not God. God is one. There cannot be two. So if I think I am God, then everyone is also God; so God becomes plural, so there is not God. God is one.

28:34Therefore God is great, we are small. In quality we are one. Just like the president and the citizen, as man they are one, but in power, the citizen and the president, they are different.

29:24So these things can be understood if one is sober and very great thinker = they can understand that "God is situated with me. He can help me also." That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:

31:29BG 10.10तेषां सततयुक्तानां भजतां प्रीतिपूर्वकम् ।ददामि बुद्धियोगं तं येन मामुपयान्ति ते ॥१०॥teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakamdadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁyena mām upayānti teTo those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.BG 10.10तेषां सततयुक्तानां भजतां प्रीतिपूर्वकम् ।ददामि बुद्धियोगं तं येन मामुपयान्ति ते ॥१०॥teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakamdadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁyena mām upayānti teTo those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.[reads French translation]

33:20Purport. [reads purport in French. Prabhupāda asks people outside room to stop talking twice during reading] So if we accept this process and advance in devotional service, then God will talk with us. He is with us, every one of us, and He is guiding us, but He gives directly guiding to the devotee.

34:15This is practical solution. If you become devotee, God will talk with you and give you direct instruction. [pause] Any question? [translating]

Limitations of material protection and leadership

35:09Yogeśvara: This lady asks when one is too old and with too many responsibilities, what can one do?

35:15Prabhupāda: There is no responsibilities—all false, māyā. Everyone is maintained by God. It is our false conception that I am giving protection to anybody. That is false.

35:48Just like a man is diseased and we are giving help, medical help, first-class physician, first-class medicine—still he dies. So if God desires that this man must die now, your medical help or physician help will not act.

36:30And if God desires that this man must live, then even without your medical help and physician, he will live. Then where is your responsibility? American lady: Are you against medical help?

37:00I mean, you want just to let Kṛṣṇa do His way and not let the doctors help at all? I mean, don't go a doctor, just rely on Kṛṣṇa to help you? Yes, Kṛṣṇa will help you.

37:17It is Kṛṣṇa's help that will be counted, not your help or my help. Therefore, it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ jñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati

38:08BG 5.29भोक्तारं यज्ञतपसां सर्वलोकमहेश्वरम् ।सुहृदं सर्वभूतानां ज्ञात्वा मां शान्तिमृच्छति ॥२९॥bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁsarva-loka-maheśvaramsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁjñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchatiA person in full consciousness of Me, knowing Me to be the ultimate beneficiary of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods, and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attains peace from the pangs of material miseries.[reads French translation]

38:26Yogeśvara: So here in this verse that Śrīla Prabhupāda quotes, Kṛṣṇa says, "Knowing Me to be the ultimate goal of all sacrifices and all austerities, the Lord of all planets and of all demigods, the friend and well-wisher of all living beings, the sage finds relief from all material miseries."

38:51Prabhupāda: So long I think that I am the friend or father of my children, I will have to give..., help them, so I am thinking falsely responsible. Actually I cannot do anything.

39:09Therefore, the so-called responsibility is māyā. My real responsibility is how to realize God. That is my real. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says openly, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam. [aside:] Find out.

40:04BG 18.66सर्वधर्मान्परित्यज्य मामेकं शरणं व्रज ।अहं त्वां सर्वपापेभ्यो मोक्षयिष्यामि मा शुचः ॥६६॥sarva-dharmān parityajyamām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vrajaahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyomokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥAbandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.[reads French translation]

40:08Yogeśvara: So here in this verse, sixty-sixth verse, Eighteenth Chapter, Kṛṣṇa says, "Give up all other forms of religion and simply surrender unto Me. I will protect you from all sinful reaction. Therefore you have nothing to fear."

40:39Prabhupāda: So we have no responsibility. It is false, māyā. Our only responsibility is how to become obedient servant of Kṛṣṇa. So that is only responsibility, one responsibility.

41:36Just like the political parties, they are advertising, different political party, "I am your friend. Give me vote." How he can be friend?

42:00Just like in America, the Nixon took vote, he was advertising, "America requires Nixon." I have seen that advertised when he was being elected.

42:16But after some time, the people found that he is not required at all = "Get out." So nobody can become, because everyone is imperfect. How one can become friend or responsible for another person?

43:50Just like in your country, in Europe and America, so many hippies are there. Their parents are responsible—rich men, able men—but why they have become hippies? Is it not a fact?

44:34The father does not want that his son should become a hippie, but still he is becoming hippie. Where is his responsibility? You cannot give protection to your son. In spite of your desire, you are disappointed.

45:26So where is your responsibility? Hmm? Who can answer this? Where is your responsibility? You don't really like that your son should become a hippie, but you cannot protect it. [translating question from French man]

46:19Yogeśvara: He says because we have no Kṛṣṇa consciousness, no God consciousness, therefore we are responsible for not having been able to save them.

46:29Prabhupāda: That is false. That I am saying. This is false responsibility. Actually you cannot become responsible. You have no power.

Individual accountability and human responsibility

46:44Everyone is under the laws of nature. Just like some birds flying in the sky—the father, mother and children. But nobody is responsible for anyone. When there is danger in the sky, you cannot give protection.

47:11Suppose one bird is hit, he is falling. The father, mother and others, they cannot give any protection. He has to become responsible for himself. Just like the aeroplane.

47:29When the one plane is in danger, no other plane come and help it. Even if you see that the other plane is flying just a few yards, and if it is in fire, you cannot help.

48:33There is one nice story that one hunter was hunting birds, and he spread his network.

48:55So when the children of the parent birds, they become victimized by the network, so when the parents came, they saw, "Oh, my children have been caught up by the net of the hunter." So mother became very overwhelmed.

49:19She went to rescue them and she also become victimized.

49:27Then the father was intelligent, he saw that "My children, my wife, they all have been victimized, and if I foolishly go to save them, then I will be also victimized. Let me go this way.

49:44Take sannyāsa and go." No responsibility. It is not possible when everyone is captured by the laws of nature. How you can help, and what is your responsibility?

50:53So this is called māyā. The children are thinking that "My father and mother will give me protection," and the father and mother is thinking that "There is my responsibility." This is called māyā. With this false responsibility, they are packed up in a home.

51:19But when death comes, nobody can help. Nobody. This is happening every day, every moment, and still we are falsely thinking, "I am responsible." So what is the value of your responsibility?

52:08If you cannot give protection, then what is the value of your responsibility? There is no responsibility. The only responsibility is that I have got this human form of life.

52:46Even in this life I do not realize God, then I remain cats and dogs, that's all. This is the only responsibility. If you miss this opportunity, then I do not know what I am going to become in my next life.

53:24So gaining or losing this opportunity, that is my responsibility. If I am not responsible... [break] ...but if the head—king or president—excuses him, he can save.

Overcoming material laws through service

54:07So nobody in this material world can transcend or overcome the laws of material nature. But if one is devotee, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, he can. This is the sum and substance. Therefore we have no responsibility.

54:42If we have touched fire, then it must burn. So whatever we may be, very big man, we cannot violate the laws of nature. Tit for tat we accept. So those who are violating laws of material nature, they suffer continuously.

55:32But when he takes to Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet shelter, sincerely surrendering, then he can be saved. Otherwise not.

56:06So everyone should become Kṛṣṇa conscious, and he should try to save his relatives, friends, husband, wife, children from these clutches of laws of material nature by educating him to become Kṛṣṇa conscious.

56:27That is the only responsibility. That is intelligence. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, na ca tasmāt manuṣyeṣu kaścit me priya-kṛttamaḥ. Ya idaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ mad-bhakteṣu abhidhāsyati BG 18.68Na ca tasmāt manuṣyeṣu, find out.

57:10Yogeśvara: Na ca tasmān manuṣyeṣu...

57:12Prabhupāda: Find out. [French] BG 18.69न च तस्मान्मनुष्येषु कश्चिन्मे प्रियकृत्तमः ।भविता न च मे तस्मादन्यः प्रियतरो भुवि ॥६९॥na ca tasmān manuṣyeṣukaścin me priya-kṛttamaḥbhavitā na ca me tasmādanyaḥ priyataro bhuviThere is no servant in this world more dear to Me than he, nor will there ever be one more dear.[reads French translation] So anyone who is trying to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is very, very dear to Kṛṣṇa.

58:08Because that is the real welfare work. All bogus. That is a fact. Everyone is under the laws of material nature. How you can do benefit to him? It is very powerful.

58:31The same example = a man is condemned by law to be hanged, you cannot save him, however rich man you may be. It is not possible. But the state executive head can excuse.

58:50Similarly, you cannot do anything without Kṛṣṇa's order. So if you want to help your relatives, your friends, your..., then you must become Kṛṣṇa conscious and make him Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the only way.

59:19This is the only responsibility. There is no other responsibility. And to serve this responsibility you can do everything.

59:49To make a person Kṛṣṇa conscious, you can give him help, you can give him education, you can give him money, you can..., to make him Kṛṣṇa conscious. Not for sense gratification. Then it will be useless.

1:00:04He is going hell, you are going hell, that's all. [pause] That's all. All other bogus. [end]