Krishna's Words for the Great Devotee

A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada · Bombay · 1974

Chapters

Instructions for progress in devotional service

Prabhupāda: But if one cannot execute in such a way, he can take little fruits. That's all. [laughs]

Dr. Patel: Shall we? [break] ...Śṛnu me paramaṁ vacaḥ

Prabhupāda: Bhūya. He has already spoken so many important things; still, He wants to give information of further important part.

Dr. Patel: Yat te 'haṁ priyamāṇāya vakṣyāmi hita-kāmyayā

Prabhupāda: Yes. "Because these things are to be spoken to My dear devotees, priyamāṇāya, for the special benefit of the devotees, not for the ordinary man." Bhūya eva mahā-bāho

Mahā-bāho, this word is used, "mighty-armed," who is very strong in devotional service.

Mahā-bāho. Bhūya eva mahā-bāho śṛṇu me paramaṁ vacaḥ." Mahā-bāho: because you are My great devotee, therefore I am speaking further, very important subject matter." Next line?

Understanding the unborn nature of Krishna

BG 10.2न मे विदुः सुरगणाः प्रभवं न महर्षयः ।अहमादिर्हि देवानां महर्षीणां च सर्वशः ॥ २॥na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥprabhavaṁ na maharṣayaḥaham ādir hi devānāṁmaharṣīṇāṁ ca sarvaśaḥNeither the hosts of demigods nor the great sages know My origin or opulences, for, in every respect, I am the source of the demigods and sages.

Yes. Even the... Na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ. Sura-gaṇāḥ means demigods, and what to speak of the rascals? How the rascals, simply by little educational qualification, can understand Kṛṣṇa?

Dr. Patel: Prabhavaṁ, the original, He said. Prabhavaṁ.

Prabhupāda: No. Prabhavaṁ means influence, influence. Prabhāva.

Dr. Patel: Aham ādir hi devānāṁ maharṣīṇāṁ ca sarvaśaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Now, just try to understand this. Na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ [Hindi] ...demigods, big, big demigods, they cannot understand Him. How the rascals with little education can understand? This is the meaning.

Na me viduḥ sura-gaṇāḥ prabhavaṁ. How much influence... The maharṣayaḥ, big, big saintly ṛṣis also, they cannot understand. Aham ādir hi devānām. Devānām means the first devas: the Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara.

So Viṣṇu is He Himself. Even Lord Śiva, Lord Brahmā, they do not know. Devānām. BG 10.3यो मामजमनादिं च वेत्ति लोकमहेश्वरम् ।असंमूढः स मर्त्येषु सर्वपापैः प्रमुच्यते ॥३॥yo mām ajam anādiṁ cavetti loka-maheśvaramasammūḍhaḥ sa martyeṣusarva-pāpaiḥ pramucyateHe who knows Me as the unborn, as the beginningless, as the Supreme Lord of all the worlds – he only, undeluded among men, is freed from all sins.Yes, this is the understanding of Kṛṣṇa.

Yo mām ajam. Ajam. "Because Kṛṣṇa appears as born of Vasudeva and Devaki..." That is mūrkha. He appears. He appears, ajo 'pi sann avyayātmā bhūtānām īśvaro 'pi san, sambhavāmi That is His extraordinary power. [aside:]

Aiye... But when one understands that He is aja, there is no birth of Kṛṣṇa... Aja, and...?

Dr. Patel: Maheśvaram.

Prabhupāda: Maheśvaram, mahā īśvaram. There are īśvaras, but parameśvara, or mahā-īśvara, that is Kṛṣṇa.

Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 10.4-5बुद्धिर्ज्ञानमसंमोहः क्षमा सत्यं दमः शमः ।सुखं दुःखं भवोऽभावो भयं चाभयमेव च ॥ ४॥अहिंसा समता तुष्टिस्तपो दानं यशोऽयशः ।भवन्ति भावा भूतानां मत्त एव पृथग्विधाः ॥ ५॥buddhir jñānam asammohaḥkṣamā satyaṁ damaḥ śamaḥsukhaṁ duḥkhaṁ bhavo 'bhāvobhayaṁ cābhayam eva caahiṁsā samatā tuṣṭistapo dānaṁ yaśo 'yaśaḥbhavanti bhāvā bhūtānāṁmatta eva pṛthag-vidhāḥIntelligence, knowledge, freedom from doubt and delusion, forgiveness, truthfulness, control of the senses, control of the mind, happiness and distress, birth, death, fear, fearlessness, nonviolence, equanimity, satisfaction, austerity, charity, fame and infamy – all these various qualities of living beings are created by Me alone.Yes.

All these good qualities, they are also coming from Him. Matta eva.

Dr. Patel: Good and bad, all qualities.

Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no bad. There is nothing bad, but...

Dr. Patel: Bhava abhāva bhayaṁ ca abhayaṁ ca.

Prabhupāda: Bhayaṁ ca abhayaṁ ca, contradictory, yes.

Dr. Patel: Contradictory qualities.

Prabhupāda: That means all contradictions can be adjusted in Kṛṣṇa. BG 10.6महर्षयः सप्त पूर्वे चत्वारो मनवस्तथा ।मद्भावा मानसा जाता येषां लोक इमाः प्रजाः ॥ ६॥maharṣayaḥ sapta pūrvecatvāro manavas tathāmad-bhāvā mānasā jātāyeṣāṁ loka imāḥ prajāḥThe seven great sages and before them the four other great sages and the Manus [progenitors of mankind] come from Me, born from My mind, and all the living beings populating the various planets descend from them.Yes. "The whole prajā, population, they are born of Me."

BG 10.7एतां विभूतिं योगं च मम यो वेत्ति तत्त्वतः ।सोऽविकम्पेन योगेन युज्यते नात्र संशयः ॥७॥etāṁ vibhūtiṁ yogaṁ camama yo vetti tattvataḥso 'vikalpena yogenayujyate nātra samśayaḥOne who is factually convinced of this opulence and mystic power of Mine engages in unalloyed devotional service; of this there is no doubt.

Divine guidance and the parampara system

Yes, tattvataḥ, to understand Kṛṣṇa tattvataḥ.

Dr. Patel: Rightly.

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 10.8अहं सर्वस्य प्रभवो मत्तः सर्वं प्रवर्तते ।इति मत्वा भजन्ते मां बुधा भावसमन्विताः ॥ ८॥ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavomattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartateiti matvā bhajante māṁbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥI am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.Yes.

This is the actually essence of Bhagavad-gītā. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate: "I am the origin of everything." Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo and mattaḥ sarvam. Sarvam means including Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara.

Sarvam. Mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate iti matvā. One who understands this. Bhajante. So just... The bhajana is for whom?

Iti matvā. When one understands that Kṛṣṇa is the origin of everything, even the original demigods, Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara, when one understands perfectly this thing, then his bhajana is perfect.

Dr. Patel: Budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ.

Prabhupāda: Bhāva, bhāva. Bhāva means...

Chandobhai: All the emotions, feelings.

Prabhupāda: ...love, feelings, feelings of love, "Oh, Kṛṣṇa is so great."

Dr. Patel: Mac-cittā mad-gata-prāṇāḥ.

Prabhupāda: And that is being described.

Dr. Patel: Bodhayantaḥ parasparam, kathayantaś ca māṁ nityaṁ tuṣyanti ca ramanti ca

Prabhupāda: Ramanti ca, yes. So instead of talking of Kṛṣṇa, they talk of politics, sociology, all nonsense. Simply waste of time.

Dr. Patel: Mad-gata-prāṇāḥ.

Prabhupāda: Mad-gata... One cannot talk of Kṛṣṇa unless he is kṛṣṇa-gata-prāṇāḥ. Kṛṣṇa-gata-prāṇāḥ. Just like your loveable objects, you cannot forget even for a moment, similarly, one who has developed real love for Kṛṣṇa, he cannot do without thinking of Kṛṣṇa, without talking of Kṛṣṇa, without acting for Kṛṣṇa.

Mad-gata-prāṇāḥ. BG 10.10तेषां सततयुक्तानां भजतां प्रीतिपूर्वकम् ।ददामि बुद्धियोगं तं येन मामुपयान्ति ते ॥१०॥teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakamdadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁyena mām upayānti teTo those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.Yes. Yes. So therefore one who has taken to this...

Sometimes these Māyāvādīs rascals say that the bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class of men. So how he can be less intelligent?

Kṛṣṇa says, teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam. So Kṛṣṇa personally gives you intelligence. So how He can be less intelligent?

Chandobhai: He gives intelligence.

Dr. Patel: That dadami buddhi-yogam.

Prabhupāda: Ah. And what kind of buddhi-yoga?

Chandobhai: "By which you can reach Me."

Prabhupāda: Yes. By which he can go back to home, back to Godhead. That kind of buddhi-yoga.

Dr. Patel: That comes later on.

Prabhupāda: Not this buddhi-yoga, how to exploit the whole world and become Hiraṇyakaśipu. BG 10.11तेषामेवानुकम्पार्थमहमज्ञानजं तमः ।नाशयाम्यात्मभावस्थो ज्ञानदीपेन भास्वता ॥११॥teṣām evānukampārthamaham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥnāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-sthojñāna-dīpena bhāsvatāTo show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.Teṣām. Who are those, teṣām? Not all.

Chandobhai: Bhaktas.

Prabhupāda: Satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, teṣām. It is a special favor for them. Teṣām evānukampārtham. So if Kṛṣṇa dissipates ignorance from the heart of a person, how he can be less intelligent?

If somebody is guided by the most perfect intellect..., intellectual, then how he can be less intelligent?

So these Māyāvādīs' accusation that bhakti is meant for the less intelligent class and jñāna is meant for higher class of men, so this accusation is refuted, that "No, don't think that the devotees are less intelligent, because I am guiding them."

Dr. Patel: Nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho, aham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ. Tamaḥ nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho.

Prabhupāda: Tamaḥ. No more ignorance, darkness. So how a devotee can be in darkness, in ignorance? This is refuted.

Dr. Patel: Now arjuna uvāca.

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 10.12अर्जुन उवाचपरं ब्रह्म परं धाम पवित्रं परमं भवान् ।पुरुषं शाश्वतं दिव्यमादिदेवमजं विभुम् ॥१२॥आहुस्त्वामृषयः सर्वे देवर्षिर्नारदस्तथा ।असितो देवलो व्यासः स्वयं चैव ब्रवीषि मे ॥१३॥arjuna uvācaparaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāmapavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavānpuruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyamādi-devam ajaṁ vibhumāhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarvedevarṣir nāradas tathāasito devalo vyāsaḥsvayaṁ caiva bravīṣi meArjuna said: You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the ultimate abode, the purest, the Absolute Truth. You are the eternal, transcendental, original person, the unborn, the greatest. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala and Vyāsa confirm this truth about You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.Yes.

So therefore, what is Kṛṣṇa is to be understood from Arjuna. This is paramparā system. Paramparā system. Arjuna talked with Kṛṣṇa personally. So his experience is first hand.

So how this rascal can imagine of Kṛṣṇa that "Kṛṣṇa is like this, Kṛṣṇa is like that"? If you actually reading Bhagavad-gītā as Arjuna understood Kṛṣṇa, you have to accept it.

This is called paramparā. So what is the experience of Arjuna? Arjuna said, "You are..., you are the Supreme Person, puruṣam. You are not female.

You are not prakṛti. You are puruṣa, śaśvata, and the original, śaśvatam, eternally." Not that, the Māyāvādīs, "Now impersonal..." Yes, read one line. That is sufficient.

Dr. Patel: That same line. Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Ādi. Yes. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. Ādi-puruṣam, He is the original person.

Purity and authority of the Supreme Person

Person. He is not imperson. Puruṣam is not imperson. Brahman is imperson, but Para-brahman is not imperson. So that is Kṛṣṇa. So therefore it is called paraḥ, param. Brahman realization.

Athāto brahma jijñāsā: "You inquire about Brahman."

Chandobhai: All-pervading, vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Vibhum, yes, all-pervading. Just like the same example = the sun. The sun is all-pervading by sunshine, but still, sunshine is not important as the sun globe. This is to be understood. Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa...

Let us understand one line. Para-brahman. Brahman, sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. But they are Para-brahman. Īśvara, everyone is īśvara. That's all right. But not everyone Parameṣvara.

Chandobhai: Puruṣottama.

Prabhupāda: Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ

Dr. Patel: Everyone is puruṣa, but not puruṣottama.

Prabhupāda: So paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma Dhāma. Dhāma means resting place. Mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma, and pavitram. Pavitra means you are not contaminated by these material modes.

Pavitraṁ paramam, Supreme pavitra. Now the question is that if Kṛṣṇa is paraṁ pavitra... Now sometimes they criticize that "Kṛṣṇa danced with the other girls. So how He can be contaminated?"

Dr. Patel: Non-contaminated.

Prabhupāda: Not contaminated. Apāpa-vidham. As it is said, apāpa vidham aśnaviram. [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram means not material body. [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram apāpa-vidham.

Chandobhai: Kavir manīṣiḥ paribhuḥ svayambhūḥ...

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is being explained, yes. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān

Dr. Patel: Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Divyam. Divyam means spiritual. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyam

That is the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva = "My dear boys, you engage yourself in tapasya." Now, what kind of tapasya? Tapo divyam: for spiritual realization.

Now, materialists, there are big, big scientists, big, big archeologists and so on, so on, they are also undergoing tapo. Without tapasya, nobody can become eminent.

So they are also undergoing tapasya. Suppose one who has manufactured this atomic bomb. This is also tapasya. But not this kind of tapasya. Tapo divyam, for understanding Kṛṣṇa.

To understand Kṛṣṇa, that tapasya required.

Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 10.13अर्जुन उवाचपरं ब्रह्म परं धाम पवित्रं परमं भवान् ।पुरुषं शाश्वतं दिव्यमादिदेवमजं विभुम् ॥१२॥आहुस्त्वामृषयः सर्वे देवर्षिर्नारदस्तथा ।असितो देवलो व्यासः स्वयं चैव ब्रवीषि मे ॥१३॥arjuna uvācaparaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāmapavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavānpuruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyamādi-devam ajaṁ vibhumāhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarvedevarṣir nāradas tathāasito devalo vyāsaḥsvayaṁ caiva bravīṣi meArjuna said: You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the ultimate abode, the purest, the Absolute Truth. You are the eternal, transcendental, original person, the unborn, the greatest. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala and Vyāsa confirm this truth about You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.

Now, people may say that "Arjuna was Kṛṣṇa's friend, so he is eulogizing Kṛṣṇa like anything." Therefore he is giving evidence that āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarva: "It is not my sentiment that I am accepting You as such and such.

But..." [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa, Jaya. [break] He is giving evidence. This is required. This is required. If you say something, it must be supported by authorities.

Not that my whimsically I say something like daridra nārāyaṇa.

Dr. Patel: Again you say, daridra-nārāyaṇa. [laughs]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Unauthorized statement. This will not be accepted. So āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve.

BG 10.13अर्जुन उवाचपरं ब्रह्म परं धाम पवित्रं परमं भवान् ।पुरुषं शाश्वतं दिव्यमादिदेवमजं विभुम् ॥१२॥आहुस्त्वामृषयः सर्वे देवर्षिर्नारदस्तथा ।असितो देवलो व्यासः स्वयं चैव ब्रवीषि मे ॥१३॥arjuna uvācaparaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāmapavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavānpuruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyamādi-devam ajaṁ vibhumāhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarvedevarṣir nāradas tathāasito devalo vyāsaḥsvayaṁ caiva bravīṣi meArjuna said: You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the ultimate abode, the purest, the Absolute Truth. You are the eternal, transcendental, original person, the unborn, the greatest. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala and Vyāsa confirm this truth about You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.

Vyāsa. Ultimately Vyāsa.

Dr. Patel: "Even You say so." Svayam eva.

Prabhupāda: "And You also say."

Dr. Patel: Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavān vyaktiṁ...

Prabhupāda: Now, this is understanding of Bhagavad-gītā, that "Whatever You say, I accept as truth." Not that "This portion..." Interpretation = "This portion I don't like. This portion is nice." No. Everything is nice.

Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, everything is correct. That is understanding. BG 10.14सर्वमेतदृतं मन्ये यन्मां वदसि केशव ।न हि ते भगवन्व्यक्तिं विदुर्देवा न दानवाः ॥१४॥sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manyeyan māṁ vadasi keśavana hi te bhagavan vyaktiṁvidur devā na dānavāḥO Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the demigods nor the demons, O Lord, can understand Your personality.Yes.

Dr. Patel: Vyaktim means?

Prabhupāda: Vyaktim means His personality, personality, vyaktim.

Dr. Patel: "Nobody knows Your personality in truth."

Prabhupāda: So foolish people cannot understand what is the Personality of Kṛṣṇa. Yes. BG 10.15स्वयमेवात्मनात्मानं वेत्थ त्वं पुरुषोत्तम ।भूतभावन भूतेश देवदेव जगत्पते ॥१५॥svayam evātmanātmānaṁvettha tvaṁ puruṣottamabhūta-bhāvana bhūteśadeva-deva jagat-pateIndeed, You alone know Yourself by Your own internal potency, O Supreme Person, origin of all, Lord of all beings, God of gods, Lord of the universe!Yes.

"Therefore to understand You is to take information from You, not from others." What Kṛṣṇa says...

Dr. Patel: Svayam evātmanātmānam.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Because you know yourself, what you are. Nobody knows. Therefore to understand Kṛṣṇa, or God, is to accept whatever is spoken in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is real understanding.

Dr. Patel: Bhūta-bhāvana bhūteṣa deva-deva jagat-pate.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Vaktum arhasy aśeṣeṇa divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ

Prabhupāda: Deva-deva. "There are many demigods, but You are also..."

Dr. Patel: Deva of the devas.

Prabhupāda: Ah. "You are the supreme of all of them, deva-deva. You are worshiped by the devas." BG 10.16वक्तुमर्हस्यशेषेण दिव्या ह्यात्मविभूतयः ।याभिर्विभूतिभिर्लोकानिमांस्त्वं व्याप्य तिष्ठसि ॥१६॥vaktum arhasy aśeṣeṇadivyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥyābhir vibhūtibhir lokānimāṁs tvaṁ vyāpya tiṣṭhasiPlease tell me in detail of Your divine opulences by which You pervade all these worlds.

Divine presence within the material creation

Now, this is to be understood, "How You are all-pervading by Your influence, by Your power." That means "You are always there." "You" person is there.

Just like a big man, big businessman, is sitting in his room, but he is all-pervading, all-pervading.

Dr. Patel: But he must have got special powers deputed to certain people. And these are that vibhūtis.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is vibhūti. That does not mean... Māyāvādī philosophy is = "Because He has spread everywhere, therefore He is imperson." He remains person, without any change, avyaya. But still, He is spread.

That he is asking, that "How I shall understand You, that You are spread everywhere?" Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ That is...

So we have to understand from Kṛṣṇa how He is all-pervading, not that mental speculation. Just like if you take a thing and distribute all over, the original thing is lost. Not like that. Original Kṛṣṇa is there.

Dr. Patel: Pūrṇam idam [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation].

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 10.17कथं विद्यामहं योगिंस्त्वां सदा परिचिन्तयन् ।केषु केषु च भावेषु चिन्त्योऽसि भगवन्मया ॥१७॥kathaṁ vidyām ahaṁ yogiṁstvāṁ sadā paricintayankeṣu keṣu ca bhāveṣucintyo 'si bhagavan mayāO Kṛṣṇa, O supreme mystic, how shall I constantly think of You, and how shall I know You? In what various forms are You to be remembered, O Supreme Personality of Godhead?[reads next verse while Śrīla Prabhupāda talks] Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, you have to learn from Kṛṣṇa and think like that.

That is meditation. That is meditation, how Kṛṣṇa is all-per... Just like in the beginning also, Kṛṣṇa said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.

Dr. Patel: Now, BG 10.19श्रीभगवानुवाचहन्त ते कथयिष्यामि दिव्या ह्यात्मविभूतयः ।प्राधान्यतः कुरुश्रेष्ठ नास्त्यन्तो विस्तरस्य मे ॥१९॥śrī-bhagavān uvācahanta te kathayiṣyāmidivyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥprādhānyataḥ kuru-śreṣṭhanāsty anto vistarasya meThe Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Yes, I will tell you of My splendorous manifestations, but only of those which are prominent, O Arjuna, for My opulence is limitless.

Prabhupāda: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."

Dr. Patel: And the first important: BG 10.20अहमात्मा गुडाकेश सर्वभूताशयस्थितः ।अहमादिश्च मध्यं च भूतानामन्त एव च ॥२०॥aham ātmā guḍākeśasarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥaham ādiś ca madhyaṁ cabhūtānām anta eva caI am the Supersoul, O Arjuna, seated in the hearts of all living entities. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.

Prabhupāda: Yes, ady anta, this creation. Before this creation, Kṛṣṇa was there. Kṛṣṇa was there. When the creation is going on, it is maintained by Kṛṣṇa, and when it is dissolved, then it enters into Kṛṣṇa. Prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikam.

Dr. Patel: Aham ātmā guḍākeśa sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ.

Prabhupāda: "And I am ātmā, Guḍākeśa. I am ātmā. Therefore, because My part and parcel is spreading, so that part and parcel, particle, that is the basic principle of everything." Just like this body.

This body is based on that part and particle, soul. Because the soul was there, the body has developed.

Dr. Patel: Otherwise body would perish. It does rot.

Prabhupāda: Yes. The body develops so long the ātmā is there. So similarly, because Kṛṣṇa is there, therefore whatever manifestation you see, that is due to Kṛṣṇa.

Now here the latest theory of the rascals, that life has come from matter, is refuted.

Dr. Patel: That is Cārvāka's theory, this Karl Marx, the Communists. That is dialectical materialism.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Now He says aham. Aham is living entity. So living entity is the origin of everything. BG 10.21आदित्यानामहं विष्णुर्ज्योतिषां रविरंशुमान् ।मरीचिर्मरुतामस्मि नक्षत्राणामहं शशी ॥२१॥ādityānām ahaṁ viṣṇurjyotiṣāṁ ravir amśumānmarīcir marutām asminakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśīOf the Ādityas I am Viṣṇu, of lights I am the radiant sun, of the Maruts I am Marīci, and among the stars I am the moon.Yes.

Now, this is also another nice thing, that the modern astronomers, they say that all these stars are sun. Sun. Do they not?

Dr. Patel: Yes. Just like suns.

Prabhupāda: But just like Kṛṣṇa says, "They are just like moon." Just see. Nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśi. So śaśi means the moon. Moon is like one of the stars. So if you say the stars are sūrya, then there is contradiction.

How the moon and the sun can be equal? But actually, that is not. According to our Vedic astronomy, there is one sun only in one universe, although there are millions of universes. We cannot count.

So there are millions of suns. That is another thing. But within the universe there is only one sun, and by the brilliance of sunshine, all these stars and moons are glittering.

Just like moon shining, being reflected by the sun, similarly, all the stars they are glittering, being reflected by the sun, not that all of them are different suns. This theory is refuted.

BG 10.22वेदानां सामवेदोऽस्मि देवानामस्मि वासवः ।इन्द्रियाणां मनश्चास्मि भूतानामस्मि चेतना ॥२२॥vedānāṁ sāma-vedo 'smidevānām asmi vāsavaḥindriyāṇāṁ manaś cāsmibhūtānām asmi cetanāOf the Vedas I am the Sāma Veda; of the demigods I am Indra, the king of heaven; of the senses I am the mind; and in living beings I am the living force [consciousness].

The Sāma Vedas mean the realization of God by singing, by music. That is Sāma Veda.

Dr. Patel: By music. "I am the soul of the music."

Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore hari-kīrtana. Hari-kīrtana is Sāma Veda, glorifying the Supreme. That is stated in some other place.

Dr. Patel: "I am Indra of the devas."

Prabhupāda: Yam brahma-varunendra-rudraḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair vedaiḥ sanga-pada-kramopa...

Dr. Patel: Kramopanisadair gayanti yam samagaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Gayanti. So gayanti, chanting, is following the Sāma Veda, and Sāma Veda, Kṛṣṇa says, "I am especially Sāma Veda."

Dr. Patel: Devānām asmi vāsavaḥ, indriyāṇāṁ manaś cāsmi bhūtānām asmi cetanā. "I am the..." Cetanā means...? Life, life and [indistinct].

Prabhupāda: Life. Knowledge, knowledge. BG 10.23-24रुद्राणां शंकरश्चास्मि वित्तेशो यक्षरक्षसाम् ।वसूनां पावकश्चास्मि मेरुः शिखरिणामहम् ॥२३॥rudrāṇāṁ śaṅkaraś cāsmivitteśo yakṣa-rakṣasāmvasūnāṁ pāvakaś cāsmimeruḥ śikhariṇām ahamOf all the Rudras I am Lord Śiva, of the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas I am the Lord of wealth [Kuvera], of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of mountains I am Meru.Skanda means Kārtikeya.

Dr. Patel: Yes. Kārtikeya. Maharṣīṇāṁ bhṛgur ahaṁ girām asmy ekam akṣaram "I am oṁ."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Yajñānāṁ japa-yajño 'smi. [laughs]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanaiḥ prayair yajanti hi sumedhasaḥ This is there. Japa-yajño, Hare Kṛṣṇa, this is the best-class... BG 10.25-26महर्षीणां भृगुरहं गिरामस्म्येकमक्षरम् ।यज्ञानां जपयज्ञोऽस्मि स्थावराणां हिमालयः ॥२५॥maharṣīṇāṁ bhṛgur ahaṁgirām asmy ekam akṣaramyajñānāṁ japa-yajño 'smisthāvarāṇāṁ himālayaḥOf the great sages I am Bhṛgu; of vibrations I am the transcendental oṁ. Of sacrifices I am the chanting of the holy names [japa], and of immovable things I am the Himālayas.

Now, the Kapila Muni. Who is that Kapila Muni?

Dr. Patel: That Devahūti's son.

Prabhupāda: Son, yes. BG 10.27उच्चैःश्रवसमश्वानां विद्धि माममृतोद्भवम् ।ऐरावतं गजेन्द्राणां नराणां च नराधिपम् ॥२७॥uccaiḥśravasam aśvānāṁviddhi mām amṛtodbhavamairāvataṁ gajendrāṇāṁnarāṇāṁ ca narādhipamOf horses know Me to be Uccaiḥśravā, produced during the churning of the ocean for nectar. Of lordly elephants I am Airāvata, and among men I am the monarch.

Dr. Patel: Naradhipam means He represents the God.

Prabhupāda: King, king, king. Yes.

Dr. Patel: King. But not these kings, [Hindi].

Prabhupāda: But they are not kings. They are mlecchas. They are not kings.

Asaṁskṛtāḥ kriyā-hīnā mlecchā rājendra-rūpinaḥ. They have assumed the post of king, but otherwise they are mlecchas, asaṁskṛtāḥ. There is no saṁskāra, and kriyā-hīnā, they do not perform the Vedic rituals.

So they are all rascals. So how we can be happy? BG 10.28आयुधानामहं वज्रं धेनूनामस्मि कामधुक् ।प्रजनश्चास्मि कन्दर्पः सर्पाणामस्मि वासुकिः ॥२८॥āyudhānām ahaṁ vajraṁdhenūnām asmi kāmadhukprajanaś cāsmi kandarpaḥsarpāṇām asmi vāsukiḥOf weapons I am the thunderbolt; among cows I am the surabhi. Of causes for procreation I am Kandarpa, the god of love, and of serpents I am Vāsuki.

Dr. Patel: Prajanaś cāsmi kandarpaḥ. "I am the Kandarpa."

Prabhupāda: Cupid.

Dr. Patel: Reproduce, produces.

Prabhupāda: Yes, Cupid. BG 10.29अनन्तश्चास्मि नागानां वरुणो यादसामहम् ।पितॄणामर्यमा चास्मि यमः संयमतामहम् ॥ २९॥anantaś cāsmi nāgānāṁvaruṇo yādasām ahampitṝṇām aryamā cāsmiyamaḥ saṁyamatām ahamOf the many-hooded Nāgas I am Ananta, and among the aquatics I am the demigod Varuṇa. Of departed ancestors I am Aryamā, and among the dispensers of law I am Yama, the lord of death.Yes. BG 10.30-31प्रह्लादश्चास्मि दैत्यानां कालः कलयतामहम् ।मृगाणां च मृगेन्द्रोऽहं वैनतेयश्च पक्षिणाम् ॥३०॥prahlādaś cāsmi daityānāṁkālaḥ kalayatām ahammṛgāṇāṁ ca mṛgendro 'haṁvainateyaś ca pakṣiṇāmAmong the Daitya demons I am the devoted Prahlāda, among subduers I am time, among beasts I am the lion, and among birds I am Garuḍa.

Jhaṣāṇām, "Of all the aquatics, I am the makara."

Dr. Patel: Sargāṇām ādir antaś ca madhyaṁ caivāham arjuna That means "I am the very time." Sargāṇām ādir antaś ca madhyaṁ caivāham arjuna.

Prabhupāda: Yes, time, kāla, kāla, creation.

Dr. Patel: Ahyātma-vidyā vidyānāṁ vādaḥ pravadatām aham.

Prabhupāda: Pravadatām aham. BG 10.33अक्षराणामकारोऽस्मि द्वन्द्वः सामासिकस्य च ।अहमेवाक्षयः कालो धाताहं विश्वतोमुखः ॥३३॥akṣarāṇām a-kāro 'smidvandvaḥ sāmāsikasya caaham evākṣayaḥ kālodhātāhaṁ viśvato-mukhaḥOf letters I am the letter A, and among compound words I am the dual compound. I am also inexhaustible time, and of creators I am Brahmā.BG 10.34मृत्युः सर्वहरश्चाहमुद्भवश्च भविष्यताम् ।कीर्तिः श्रीर्वाक्च नारीणां स्मृतिर्मेधा धृतिः क्षमा ॥३४॥mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāhamudbhavaś ca bhaviṣyatāmkīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇāṁsmṛtir medhā dhṛtiḥ kṣamāI am all-devouring death, and I am the generating principle of all that is yet to be. Among women I am fame, fortune, fine speech, memory, intelligence, steadfastness and patience.

Dr. Patel: Please comment on this = kīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇām smṛtir medhā dhṛtiḥ kṣamā.

Prabhupāda: The woman's voice is very attractive. Because people engage woman for singing. Their voice is natural attractive. "So that attractive voice, I am."

Dr. Patel: "I am." Kīrtiḥ śrīr vāk ca nārīṇām, smṛtir medhā and dhṛtiḥ and kṣamā. These are the feminine qualities. "There I am. I am kṣamā, I am dhṛti, I am medhā, I am smṛti and I am the melodious sound of women.

I am kīrti and I am śrī."

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. BG 10.35-37बृहत्साम तथा साम्नां गायत्री छन्दसामहम् ।मासानां मार्गशीर्षोऽहमृतूनां कुसुमाकरः ॥३५॥bṛhat-sāma tathā sāmnāṁgāyatrī chandasām ahammāsānāṁ mārga-śīrṣo 'hamṛtūnāṁ kusumākaraḥOf the hymns in the Sāma Veda I am the Bṛhat-sāma, and of poetry I am the Gāyatrī. Of months I am Mārgaśīrṣa [November-December], and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring.Ah. [laughs]

Dr. Patel: "I am you."

Prabhupāda: Pāṇḍavānāṁ dhanañjayaḥ.

Dr. Patel: That means "I am you."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Munīnām apy ahaṁ vyāsaḥ kavīnām uśanā kaviḥ.

Prabhupāda: Not "I am you." That is Māyāvāda. Dhanañjaya especially, not the rascals.

Dr. Patel: "You" means He is talking with whom? Dhanañjaya.

Prabhupāda: That's all right, Dhanañjaya. You can take, Dhanañjaya. Not that general people.

Dr. Patel: But that is what He says, that "I am you." Kṛṣṇa says...

Prabhupāda: Not you; Dhanañjaya. "You" means... Why you are changing the word? No, no, it is said, Dhanañjaya. You say Dhanañjaya.

Dr. Patel: Pārtha, Dhanañjaya, He is...

Prabhupāda: Yes. And after...

Dr. Patel: But He is talking with Dhanañjaya.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. You cannot make it an impersonal. As soon as you say Dhanañjaya, He is person.

Dr. Patel: Oh, yes, that way. That way you are right. Vṛṣṇīnāṁ vāsudevo 'smi. That means He is the father of even Himself. BG 10.37वृष्णीनां वासुदेवोऽस्मि पाण्डवानां धनंजयः ।मुनीनामप्यहं व्यासः कवीनामुशना कविः ॥३७॥vṛṣṇīnāṁ vāsudevo 'smipāṇḍavānāṁ dhanañjayaḥmunīnām apy ahaṁ vyāsaḥkavīnām uśanā kaviḥOf the descendants of Vṛṣṇi I am Vāsudeva, and of the Pāṇḍavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyāsa, and among great thinkers I am Uśanā.

Prabhupāda: Yes, Vyāsadeva is incarnation of God. BG 10.38दण्डो दमयतामस्मि नीतिरस्मि जिगीषताम् ।मौनं चैवास्मि गुह्यानां ज्ञानं ज्ञानवतामहम् ॥३८॥daṇḍo damayatām asminītir asmi jigīṣatāmmaunaṁ caivāsmi guhyānāṁjñānaṁ jñānavatām ahamAmong all means of suppressing lawlessness I am punishment, and of those who seek victory I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am the wisdom.

Nītir, by argument, by logic, when one becomes victorious, that victory is Kṛṣṇa, nītī. Without Kṛṣṇa...

Chandobhai: It is God's victory, not his.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Yac cāpi sarva-bhūtānāṁ bījaṁ tad aham arjuna. "There is... Seed in everything is I." BG 10.39यच्चापि सर्वभूतानां बीजं तदहमर्जुन ।न तदस्ति विना यत्स्यान्मया भूतं चराचरम् ॥३९॥yac cāpi sarva-bhūtānāṁbījaṁ tad aham arjunana tad asti vinā yat syānmayā bhūtaṁ carācaramFurthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being – moving or nonmoving – that can exist without Me.

Nothing that moves and not moves is without being.

Prabhupāda: Yes, because everything is His energy. BG 10.40-41नान्तोऽस्ति मम दिव्यानां विभूतीनां परन्तप ।एष तूद्देशतः प्रोक्तो विभूतेर्विस्तरो मया ॥ ४०॥nānto 'sti mama divyānāṁvibhūtīnāṁ parantapaeṣa tūddeśataḥ proktovibhūter vistaro mayāO mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.

Dr. Patel: "Whatever glorious thing you see, it is Mine."

Prabhupāda: "That is due to My influence". [break]

Dr. Patel: Aham idaṁ kṛtsnam ekāṁśena sthito jagat

Prabhupāda: This is only ekāṁśa vibhūti. All this described, this is only one part. The three parts—in the spiritual world. This is all description of the material world.

Now, this is only one part manifestation, and the three-part manifestation—in the spiritual sky.

Chandobhai: Tri-pāda... [Hindi]

Dr. Patel: Tri-pāda. [break] This thing. Ācchā. Today is Ekādaśī.

Revelation of the universal form

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Ācchā. BG 11.1अर्जुन उवाचमदनुग्रहाय परमं गुह्यमध्यात्मसंज्ञितम् ।यत्त्वयोक्तं वचस्तेन मोहोऽयं विगतो मम ॥१॥arjuna uvācamad-anugrahāya paramaṁguhyam adhyātma-saṁjñitamyat tvayoktaṁ vacas tenamoho 'yaṁ vigato mamaArjuna said: By my hearing the instructions You have kindly given me about these most confidential spiritual subjects, my illusion has now been dispelled.

Prabhupāda: Moha, moho 'yam... "What You were, now I understand."

Dr. Patel: "Now I have lost it."

Prabhupāda: "I was thinking that You are ordinary friend, but now moha, that moha is gone. I understand You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead."

Dr. Patel: Yes. BG 11.2भवाप्ययौ हि भूतानां श्रुतौ विस्तरशो मया ।त्वत्तः कमलपत्राक्ष माहात्म्यमपि चाव्ययम् ॥२॥bhavāpyayau hi bhūtānāṁśrutau vistaraśo mayātvattaḥ kamala-patrākṣamāhātmyam api cāvyayamO lotus-eyed one, I have heard from You in detail about the appearance and disappearance of every living entity and have realized Your inexhaustible glories.BG 11.3एवमेतद्यथात्थ त्वमात्मानं परमेश्वर ।द्रष्टुमिच्छामि ते रूपमैश्वरं पुरुषोत्तम ॥३॥evam etad yathāttha tvamātmānaṁ parameśvaradraṣṭum icchāmi te rūpamaiśvaraṁ puruṣottamaO greatest of all personalities, O supreme form, though I see You here before me in Your actual position, as You have described Yourself, I wish to see how You have entered into this cosmic manifestation. I want to see that form of Yours.

Now, he is creating a trouble for Kṛṣṇa. He is creating trouble for Him.

Prabhupāda: No, why trouble? Kṛṣṇa has no trouble.

Dr. Patel: For himself. Arjuna is creating trouble for himself.

Prabhupāda: No, he is creating trouble for himself because the rascals will represent that "I am incarnation of God." Therefore Arjuna is asking Him, "Now show me Your virāṭa-rūpa." So these rascals, bewildered by these so-called Gods, they should ask, "Show me your virāṭa-rūpa. Then I shall accept you." That is the process.

Not that "I am incarnation of God." How you become incarnation? Just lift one hill. Huh? Or show me virāṭa-rūpa. Or show me that you have sixteen thousand wives and you are maintaining them in sixteen thousand palaces.

Then you call yourself that "I am incarnation of Kṛṣṇa." Otherwise, you rascal, I cannot believe you. For them. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa...

He knows what is Kṛṣṇa, but because in future some rascal will come and will say that "I am incarnation of God," therefore it is a warning that before accepting one rascal as incarnation, you ask him to show virāṭa-rūpa.

BG 11.4मन्यसे यदि तच्छक्यं मया द्रष्टुमिति प्रभो ।योगेश्वर ततो मे त्वं दर्शयात्मानमव्ययम् ॥४॥manyase yadi tac chakyaṁmayā draṣṭum iti prabhoyogeśvara tato me tvaṁdarśayātmānam avyayamIf You think that I am able to behold Your cosmic form, O my Lord, O master of all mystic power, then kindly show me that unlimited universal Self.

Yes. So because Arjuna was not accustomed to this impersonal theory...

Dr. Patel: Even the pastime, rūpa vi...

Prabhupāda: Yes. But he wanted to see the virāṭa-rūpa. Therefore he said, "If you think that I shall be able to see, then You can give me."

Dr. Patel: Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Śrī bhagavān uvāca, paśya me pārtha rūpāṇi śataśo 'tha...

Prabhupāda: So it was not difficult for Him. Immediately He showed him. That is Kṛṣṇa. Not that "I shall show you some day privately."

BG 11.5श्रीभगवानुवाचपश्य मे पार्थ रूपाणि शतशोऽथ सहस्रशः ।नानाविधानि दिव्यानि नानावर्णाकृतीनि च ॥५॥śrī-bhagavān uvācapaśya me pārtha rūpāṇiśataśo 'tha sahasraśaḥnānā-vidhāni divyāninānā-varṇākṛtīni caThe Supreme Personality of Godhead said: My dear Arjuna, O son of Pṛthā, see now My opulences, hundreds of thousands of varied divine and multicolored forms.BG 11.6पश्यादित्यान्वसून्रुद्रानश्विनौ मरुतस्तथा ।बहून्यदृष्टपूर्वाणि पश्याश्चर्याणि भारत ॥ ६॥paśyādityān vasūn rudrānaśvinau marutas tathābahūny adṛṣṭa-pūrvāṇipaśyāścaryāṇi bhārataO best of the Bhāratas, see here the different manifestations of Ādityas, Vasus, Rudras, Aśvinī-kumāras and all the other demigods. Behold the many wonderful things which no one has ever seen or heard of before.

Just like Mother Yaśodā saw within the mouth of Kṛṣṇa the whole universe.

Dr. Patel: The whole universe. BG 11.7इहैकस्थं जगत्कृत्स्नं पश्याद्य सचराचरम् ।मम देहे गुडाकेश यच्चान्यद् द्रष्टुमिच्छसि ॥७॥ihaika-sthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁpaśyādya sa-carācarammama dehe guḍākeśayac cānyad draṣṭum icchasiO Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything – moving and nonmoving – is here completely, in one place.BG 11.8न तु मां शक्यसे द्रष्टुमनेनैव स्वचक्षुषा ।दिव्यं ददामि ते चक्षुः पश्य मे योगमैश्वरम् ॥८॥na tu māṁ śakyase draṣṭumanenaiva sva-cakṣuṣādivyaṁ dadāmi te cakṣuḥpaśya me yogam aiśvaramBut you cannot see Me with your present eyes. Therefore I give you divine eyes. Behold My mystic opulence!

Prabhupāda: Ah. "Because you are not accustomed to see this virāṭa form, therefore I give you special vision to see it." BG 11.9संजय उवाचएवमुक्त्वा ततो राजन्महायोगेश्वरो हरिः ।दर्शयामास पार्थाय परमं रूपमैश्वरम् ॥९॥sañjaya uvācaevam uktvā tato rājanmahā-yogeśvaro hariḥdarśayām āsa pārthāyaparamaṁ rūpam aiśvaramSañjaya said: O King, having spoken thus, the Supreme Lord of all mystic power, the Personality of Godhead, displayed His universal form to Arjuna.

So this virāṭa-rūpa is subordinate. Darśayāmāsa hari. Hari is the Supreme. And the virāṭa-rūpa is a feature, not that virāṭa-rūpa is original.

Dr. Patel: One of the features of His multiple features.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Virāṭa-rūpa. Not that the... Māyāvādīs take the virāṭa-rūpa is the origin, and this rūpa, Kṛṣṇa, that is māyā. Therefore they are called Māyāvādīs. But actually, Hari manifested or exhibited...

Dr. Patel: One of his multiple...

Prabhupāda: Multiple features. BG 11.10-11अनेकवक्त्रनयनमनेकाद्भुतदर्शनम् ।अनेकदिव्याभरणं दिव्यानेकोद्यतायुधम् ॥१०॥दिव्यमाल्याम्बरधरं दिव्यगन्धानुलेपनम् ।सर्वाश्चर्यमयं देवमनन्तं विश्वतोमुखम् ॥११॥aneka-vaktra-nayanamanekādbhuta-darśanamaneka-divyābharaṇaṁdivyānekodyatāyudhamdivya-mālyāmbara-dharaṁdivya-gandhānulepanamsarvāścarya-mayaṁ devamanantaṁ viśvato-mukhamArjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths, unlimited eyes, unlimited wonderful visions. The form was decorated with many celestial ornaments and bore many divine upraised weapons. He wore celestial garlands and garments, and many divine scents were smeared over His body. All was wondrous, brilliant, unlimited, all-expanding.

BG 11.12दिवि सूर्यसहस्रस्य भवेद्युगपदुत्थिता ।यदि भाः सदृशी सा स्याद्भासस्तस्य महात्मनः ॥१२॥divi sūrya-sahasrasyabhaved yugapad utthitāyadi bhāḥ sadṛśī sā syādbhāsas tasya mahātmanaḥIf hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form.

Dr. Patel: He had thousands and millions of features. BG 11.13तत्रैकस्थं जगत्कृत्स्नं प्रविभक्तमनेकधा ।अपश्यद्देवदेवस्य शरीरे पाण्डवस्तदा ॥१३॥tatraika-sthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁpravibhaktam anekadhāapaśyad deva-devasyaśarīre pāṇḍavas tadāAt that time Arjuna could see in the universal form of the Lord the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands.BG 11.14ततः स विस्मयाविष्टो हृष्टरोमा धनंजयः ।प्रणम्य शिरसा देवं कृताञ्जलिरभाषत ॥१४॥tataḥ sa vismayāviṣṭohṛṣṭa-romā dhanañjayaḥpraṇamya śirasā devaṁkṛtāñjalir abhāṣataThen, bewildered and astonished, his hair standing on end, Arjuna bowed his head to offer obeisances and with folded hands began to pray to the Supreme Lord.

Now Arjuna said. Shall I read further?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Arjuna uvāca. These boys understand this, all of them? All of them understand?

Prabhupāda: Yes. No, I will explain.

Chandobhai: They can hear.

Personal features within the cosmic vision

Dr. Patel: Now Arjuna says, paśyāmi devāṁs tava deva dehe sarvāṁs tathā bhūta-viśeṣa...

Prabhupāda: Devāṁs, devāṁs. Tava deva dehe means "Devas, the demigods, they are part and parcel of Your virāṭa-rupa." They are not independent.

Just like this finger is part of my this whole body, similarly, all these devas, these demigods... That is explained previously = ye 'py anya-devatā bhaktā yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ, te 'pi mām eva

If you give something to my finger, that is to be given to my body. But that is avidhi-pūrvakam. The thing's to be given to the mouth, not in the hand. But their logic is, because everything is the same, why not here?

That is Māyāvāda. Yes. BG 11.15अर्जुन उवाचपश्यामि देवांस्तव देव देहेसर्वांस्तथा भूतविशेषसंघान् ।ब्रह्माणमीशं कमलासनस्थ-मृषींश्च सर्वानुरगांश्च दिव्यान् ॥१५॥arjuna uvācapaśyāmi devāṁs tava deva dehesarvāṁs tathā bhūta-viśeṣa-saṅghānbrahmāṇam īśaṁ kamalāsana-sthamṛṣīmś ca sarvān uragāmś ca divyānArjuna said: My dear Lord Kṛṣṇa, I see assembled in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahmā sitting on the lotus flower, as well as Lord Śiva and all the sages and divine serpents.Yes, brahmā rāmeśvaram. Rāmeśvara means Viṣṇu.

Rāma īśvara; and Brahmā, Lord Brahmā, and...

Dr. Patel: Kamalāsana-stham ṛṣīṁṣ sarvān urugāṁṣ ca divyān. All wonderful things.

Prabhupāda: Yes. [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. BG 11.16अनेकबाहूदरवक्त्रनेत्रंपश्यामि त्वां सर्वतोऽनन्तरूपम् ।नान्तं न मध्यं न पुनस्तवादिंपश्यामि विश्वेश्वर विश्वरूप ॥१६॥aneka-bāhūdara-vaktra-netraṁpaśyāmi tvāṁ sarvato 'nanta-rūpamnāntaṁ na madhyaṁ na punas tavādiṁpaśyāmi viśveśvara viśva-rūpaO Lord of the universe, O universal form, I see in Your body many, many arms, bellies, mouths and eyes, expanded everywhere, without limit. I see in You no end, no middle and no beginning.kirīṭinam gadinaṁ cakriṇaṁ catejo-rāśiṁ sarvato dīptimantam

Now even in His virāṭa-rūpa, He is person, kirīṭina. He has got helmet, kirīṭina. Then? BG 11.17किरीटिनं गदिनं चक्रिणं चतेजोराशिं सर्वतो दीप्तिमन्तम् ।पश्यामि त्वां दुर्निरीक्ष्यं समन्ता-द्दीप्तानलार्कद्युतिमप्रमेयम् ॥१७॥kirīṭinaṁ gadinaṁ cakriṇaṁ catejo-rāśiṁ sarvato dīptimantampaśyāmi tvāṁ durnirīkṣyaṁ samantāddīptānalārka-dyutim aprameyamYour form is difficult to see because of its glaring effulgence, spreading on all sides, like blazing fire or the immeasurable radiance of the sun. Yet I see this glowing form everywhere, adorned with various crowns, clubs and discs.

BG 11.18त्वमक्षरं परमं वेदितव्यंत्वमस्य विश्वस्य परं निधानम् ।त्वमव्ययः शाश्वतधर्मगोप्तासनातनस्त्वं पुरुषो मतो मे ॥१८॥tvam akṣaraṁ paramaṁ veditavyaṁtvam asya viśvasya paraṁ nidhānamtvam avyayaḥ śāśvata-dharma-goptāsanātanas tvaṁ puruṣo mato meYou are the supreme primal objective. You are the ultimate resting place of all this universe. You are inexhaustible, and You are the oldest. You are the maintainer of the eternal religion, the Personality of Godhead. This is my opinion.

Dr. Patel: He is now frightened after seeing these things.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Must be frightened. Now, suppose all of a sudden if you see a very big person, you will not be frightened? Because you are not accustomed to see that.

Dr. Patel: Yes. Anādi-madhyāntam ananta-vīryam ananta-bāhuṁ śaśi-sūrya-netram paśyāmi tvāṁ dīpta-hutāśa-vaktraṁ...

Prabhupāda: Now here is one important thing = śaśi-sūrya-netram. The śaśi, the moon, and the sun are the two eyes of God. Now in Brahma-saṁhitā it is also confirmed, yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇām [

So in the Upaniṣads it is said, "When God sees, then you can see." So this... When the sunrise is there, that means when God sees, you can see. In the darkness you cannot see. And still, you are proud of your eyes. Yes.

Without God seeing, you cannot see. And still, these rascals are proud of their eyes = "I can... Can you show me?" How you can see? First of all you have to see through the Supreme.

Dr. Patel: Sva-tejasā viśvam idaṁ tapantam

Prabhupāda: And another significance is that you cannot hide yourself from the seeing of the Supreme. You cannot make anything hiding. Because even in the womb there is sunshine, sunlight. So He is seeing there.

Apart from being the Paramātmā, from materially also, His eyes are always there. So you cannot do anything hiding. That is not possible.

BG 11.20द्यावापृथिव्योरिदमन्तरं हिव्याप्तं त्वयैकेन दिशश्च सर्वाः ।दृष्ट्वाद्भुतं रूपमुग्रं तवेदंलोकत्रयं प्रव्यथितं महात्मन् ॥२०॥dyāv ā-pṛthivyor idam antaraṁ hivyāptaṁ tvayaikena diśaś ca sarvāḥdṛṣṭvādbhutaṁ rūpam ugraṁ tavedaṁloka-trayaṁ pravyathitaṁ mahātmanAlthough You are one, You spread throughout the sky and the planets and all space between. O great one, seeing this wondrous and terrible form, all the planetary systems are perturbed.

Dr. Patel: All are frightened.

Prabhupāda: Yes. BG 11.21अमी हि त्वां सुरसंघा विशन्तिकेचिद्भीताः प्राञ्जलयो गृणन्ति ।स्वस्तीत्युक्त्वा महर्षिसिद्धसंघाःस्तुवन्ति त्वां स्तुतिभिः पुष्कलाभिः ॥२१॥amī hi tvāṁ sura-saṅghā viśantikecid bhītāḥ prāñjalayo gṛṇantisvastīty uktvā maharṣi-siddha-saṅghāḥstuvanti tvāṁ stutibhiḥ puṣkalābhiḥAll the hosts of demigods are surrendering before You and entering into You. Some of them, very much afraid, are offering prayers with folded hands. Hosts of great sages and perfected beings, crying “All peace!” are praying to You by singing the Vedic hymns.rudrādityā vasavo ye ca sādhyāviśve 'śvinau marutaś coṣmapāś ca

So everyone is worshiping Him. BG 11.22रुद्रादित्या वसवो ये च साध्याविश्वेऽश्विनौ मरुतश्चोष्मपाश्च ।गन्धर्वयक्षासुरसिद्धसंघावीक्षन्ते त्वां विस्मिताश्चैव सर्वे ॥२२॥rudrādityā vasavo ye ca sādhyāviśve 'śvinau marutaś coṣmapāś cagandharva-yakṣāsura-siddha-saṅghāvīkṣante tvāṁ vismitāś caiva sarveAll the various manifestations of Lord Śiva, the Ādityas, the Vasus, the Sādhyas, the Viśvedevas, the two Aśvīs, the Maruts, the forefathers, the Gandharvas, the Yakṣas, the Asuras and the perfected demigods are beholding You in wonder.

Dr. Patel: Rūpaṁ mahat te bahu-vaktra-netraṁ

Prabhupāda: They do not understand. If you go on simply reading...

Dr. Patel: But you say read, so I read. You order me, I stop.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Shall I read again?

Prabhupāda: What is that line?

Dr. Patel: There were so many lines. I will again. Aneka divya... Divi-sūrya-sahasrasya bhaved yugapad utthitā...

Prabhupāda: Ah, this is the comparison now, that divi, "In the sky, if there were thousands of suns at a time, then the brilliance of the virāṭa-rūpa could be understood." This is an example.

Dr. Patel: He saw everyone in Him. BG 11.12दिवि सूर्यसहस्रस्य भवेद्युगपदुत्थिता ।यदि भाः सदृशी सा स्याद्भासस्तस्य महात्मनः ॥१२॥divi sūrya-sahasrasyabhaved yugapad utthitāyadi bhāḥ sadṛśī sā syādbhāsas tasya mahātmanaḥIf hundreds of thousands of suns were to rise at once into the sky, their radiance might resemble the effulgence of the Supreme Person in that universal form.Tatraikasthaṁ jagat kṛtsnaṁ. [break]

Prabhupāda: ...in Him. Then he got...

Dr. Patel: Then he got frightened, and then he... [indistinct]

Prabhupāda: The varieties, varieties. The varieties he is seeing. That is the vision of the Vaiṣṇava. The Vaiṣṇavas also know that everything is one, but he sees the variety.

Dr. Patel: I will read again from this.

Prabhupāda: Yes. [break] [end]